On November 15 2009 00:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:
More people need to vote for Stork so he can get second place in this poll.
More people need to vote for Stork so he can get second place in this poll.
I see what you did there.
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Gnabgib
United States381 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:05 TwoToneTerran wrote: More people need to vote for Stork so he can get second place in this poll. I see what you did there. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On November 15 2009 09:58 tree.hugger wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 08:35 MuffinDude wrote: On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything. Which just isn't true. effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish. And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort. fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend. Seriously? How did CJ get to face Hwaseung in the PL Playoffs? EffOrt rolled Stork. + Show Spoiler + Why did SKT1 win the championship? Because fantasy beat Jaedong twice. + Show Spoiler + A player doesn't need to win a starleague a year ago to be considered one of the game's best players at the moment. Both fantasy and EffOrt deserve to be included in this discussion, easily. Calm and ZerO probably as well. If- no, when either of these four defeat one of the previous four, it's not an upset. Moreover, to say that B/S/J/F have been dominating since the downfall of sAviOr is just plain inaccurate. Just this last spring and summer, Flash and Stork weren't looking so hot. Again, you can't make this cut and dry, it just isn't. You should read the Jaedong/Bisu/Stork interview first to know what this thread is about. And it definitely isn't about the best players today. It's about LEGENDARY players, who are still dominating the sport. Bisu, Stork, Flash, and Jaedong all count. Effort and Fantasy? Not even close. Btw, the four tigers? That's a really lame translation. Even if you don't like the term "heavenly kings", at least give it some ethereal feel to the name to do it justice. I mean, tigers aren't even on par with humans on the food chain. While gods in heaven can strike down mere mortals like nothing. ![]() | ||
Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best" Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful. I really question whether people who say this ever actually watch Starcraft. | ||
fearus
China2164 Posts
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best" Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good. I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities. Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him. Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful. We all like him. We all love every player on the list (and those who don't bloody well should). We just think he's slightly LESS awesome ![]() | ||
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boesthius
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EverydayStruggle
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On November 15 2009 11:10 fearus wrote: 1.bisu 2.bisu 3.bisu 4.bisu im a bisu fanboy too!!! | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:57 lone_hydra wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass. Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man. So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses. I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play. LOL? FlaSh is uncreative?! FlaSh comes up with new build orders more consistently than any other progamer in this age. Goli's into M&M + 4Rax Thats 2 TvZ builds in less than 6 months FlaSh invented the dual armory TvP and is working on a new TvP build. The only person who thinks of builds at the same rate is iloveOOv... Uncreative? Nukes and mass dropships? FlaSh is hardly boring. Not to mention FlaSh is perfectly capable of nearly all build orders and strategies.. he can cheese to the point where he's the Cheddar Terran and Macro to the point where he's the Ultimate Weapon.. Go read up on your shit.. | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17723 Posts
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vRoOk
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