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Gnabgib
Profile Joined July 2009
United States381 Posts
November 15 2009 01:11 GMT
#121
On November 15 2009 00:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:
More people need to vote for Stork so he can get second place in this poll.


I see what you did there.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 15 2009 01:13 GMT
#122
Lee Jaedong~!
TranslatorBaa!
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 15 2009 01:15 GMT
#123
Stork, because he was so chill when I met him in wcg 2007 and cause he kept losing to White-Ra on purpose so he doesn't have to play against a korean in the following round lol.
Life?
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 15 2009 01:16 GMT
#124
On November 15 2009 09:58 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2009 08:35 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote:
I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to

On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote:
fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.


Which just isn't true.

effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish.

And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort.

fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend.


Seriously?

How did CJ get to face Hwaseung in the PL Playoffs? EffOrt rolled Stork.
+ Show Spoiler +


Why did SKT1 win the championship? Because fantasy beat Jaedong twice.
+ Show Spoiler +


A player doesn't need to win a starleague a year ago to be considered one of the game's best players at the moment. Both fantasy and EffOrt deserve to be included in this discussion, easily. Calm and ZerO probably as well. If- no, when either of these four defeat one of the previous four, it's not an upset.

Moreover, to say that B/S/J/F have been dominating since the downfall of sAviOr is just plain inaccurate. Just this last spring and summer, Flash and Stork weren't looking so hot. Again, you can't make this cut and dry, it just isn't.




You should read the Jaedong/Bisu/Stork interview first to know what this thread is about. And it definitely isn't about the best players today. It's about LEGENDARY players, who are still dominating the sport. Bisu, Stork, Flash, and Jaedong all count. Effort and Fantasy? Not even close.

Btw, the four tigers? That's a really lame translation. Even if you don't like the term "heavenly kings", at least give it some ethereal feel to the name to do it justice. I mean, tigers aren't even on par with humans on the food chain. While gods in heaven can strike down mere mortals like nothing.
Meh
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
November 15 2009 01:24 GMT
#125
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote:
Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best"
Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.


I really question whether people who say this ever actually watch Starcraft.
BW forever || Thall
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
November 15 2009 02:10 GMT
#126
1.bisu
2.bisu
3.bisu
4.bisu
bisu fanboy
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
November 15 2009 02:13 GMT
#127
I don't really support any of them except for Flash, but that's only because I'm a KT fan. I think it's more fun to see "dominant" players lose than to see them become more dominant.
seNsiX.421
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
November 15 2009 02:14 GMT
#128
bisu for first and stork for second plz
| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
November 15 2009 02:16 GMT
#129
FLASH
FLASH
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
Captain Mayhem
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden774 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-15 02:25:17
November 15 2009 02:24 GMT
#130
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote:
Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best"

Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good.

I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities.

Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him.

Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.

We all like him. We all love every player on the list (and those who don't bloody well should). We just think he's slightly LESS awesome
Gravity is just a theory anyway.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 15 2009 02:28 GMT
#131
Song Byung Goooooo. What a baller. Scouts ftw.
God Bless
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
November 15 2009 02:28 GMT
#132
i don't get how stork is higher than bisu on that list. VOTE BISU MORE!
cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
November 15 2009 02:32 GMT
#133
stork is that nice awkward boy who for the longest time had no titles. he seems like someone i could have gotten along with if i had known him.
Wire
Profile Joined July 2009
United States494 Posts
November 15 2009 02:32 GMT
#134
i remember one game Where some commentator said that (T)Flash was (T)BoxeR's brainchild.

which is confusing cus they're not on the same team but just cus of that comment and that nuke game between (T)Flash and (Z)sAviOr

(T)Flash :D
"You sacced your ovie, which is great, but then you didn't watch it die, which is bad :("
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
November 15 2009 02:36 GMT
#135
--- Nuked ---
EverydayStruggle
Profile Joined November 2009
United States77 Posts
November 15 2009 03:00 GMT
#136
On November 15 2009 11:10 fearus wrote:
1.bisu
2.bisu
3.bisu
4.bisu


im a bisu fanboy too!!!
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
November 15 2009 03:24 GMT
#137
my vote goes to stork.. he is just awesome!
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-15 04:03:58
November 15 2009 04:02 GMT
#138
On November 15 2009 08:57 lone_hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote:
Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass.


Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man.

So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses.

I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play.


LOL?

FlaSh is uncreative?! FlaSh comes up with new build orders more consistently than any other progamer in this age.

Goli's into M&M + 4Rax
Thats 2 TvZ builds in less than 6 months

FlaSh invented the dual armory TvP
and is working on a new TvP build.

The only person who thinks of builds at the same rate is iloveOOv...

Uncreative? Nukes and mass dropships? FlaSh is hardly boring.

Not to mention FlaSh is perfectly capable of nearly all build orders and strategies.. he can cheese to the point where he's the Cheddar Terran and Macro to the point where he's the Ultimate Weapon..

Go read up on your shit..
Breaking Bad
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17741 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-15 04:07:21
November 15 2009 04:06 GMT
#139
jaedong

Just the closest thing to perfection in starcraft.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
November 15 2009 04:08 GMT
#140
Also.. FlaSh won the toughest OSL ever.
Breaking Bad
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