EPT[Poll] The Four Tigers - Page 6
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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Abyzou
Sweden209 Posts
Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good. I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities. Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him. Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
Flash is also among my favs. Stork I like but always behind the two above. Bisu, I don´t give a crap. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything. Which just isn't true. | ||
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D4L[invd]
Canada110 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
Just to let Bisu win at least one poll  | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to Which just isn't true. effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish. And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort. fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend. On November 15 2009 08:30 Klive5ive wrote: I think you split the Protoss vote by putting Stork AND Bisu in the poll. Well they are two different people. | ||
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best" Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good. I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities. Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him. Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful. To be fair, Flash knows he needs to change his TvP soon or else he's in a lot of trouble. And I'm not sure how people can still think he's basically a macrobot when his TvZ and TvT have always been pure sex if your more concerned about good play and less on gimmicks like wasting time so you can get nukes like Fantasy did in that game against Hoejja. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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LastWish
2013 Posts
But now it's more like Stork and I always liked Flash, his style is unique. I don't know what's so brilliant about Jaedong though, his recent ZvP is looking rather like Julyzerg copy who I admire more. Storks PvZ micro is absolutely amazing. + Show Spoiler + I bet he'll rape Jaedong in WCG finals!. Edit : Oh and poll is not very accurate imo, because toss fan's must split between two nearly same popular heroes... | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass. Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man. So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses. I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play. | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On November 14 2009 20:07 Tru_m4n wrote: I like them all but Bisu is the favourite. Edit: Must say though that Flash is the most boring one to watch. His turtle playing style is no fun at all but it is very amazing that he is so good at defending. Even though i agree that they style he plays with doesn't seem like it would be fun to watch, I see him as the most entertaining of the 4 just because of how he controls the game. And i play zerg xD. | ||
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[Azn]Nada
United States275 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:57 lone_hydra wrote: Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man. So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses. I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play. Last actual NEW TvZ build i've seen came from Flash so i dunno what you are talking about really. At elast i've never seen anyone else do goliath into mnm unless you want to correct me? Theres only so much creative and innovative builds you can do rather than just stick to perfect solid play.. as we've seen by Fantasy clever build-orders will only get you so far. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:57 lone_hydra wrote: Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man. So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses. I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play. Have you actually seen his recent games? His TvZ is hyper aggressive (watch him completely nullify hero's 2 Hatch Muta by moving out with his marines), and I wouldn't call his 5 (!) dropships against Hyun completely standard. In fact, several of the games he has won has been due to unorthodox timings as opposed to standard. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 15 2009 08:35 MuffinDude wrote: effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish. And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort. fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend. Seriously? How did CJ get to face Hwaseung in the PL Playoffs? EffOrt rolled Stork. + Show Spoiler + Why did SKT1 win the championship? Because fantasy beat Jaedong twice. + Show Spoiler + A player doesn't need to win a starleague a year ago to be considered one of the game's best players at the moment. Both fantasy and EffOrt deserve to be included in this discussion, easily. Calm and ZerO probably as well. If- no, when either of these four defeat one of the previous four, it's not an upset. Moreover, to say that B/S/J/F have been dominating since the downfall of sAviOr is just plain inaccurate. Just this last spring and summer, Flash and Stork weren't looking so hot. Again, you can't make this cut and dry, it just isn't. | ||
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