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United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:01 VioleTAK wrote: Leta vs Jangbi would suck, like watching a courage group or something.
lol VioleTAK, your eternal love for the old-school is truly admirable
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I am with other 189. lolz
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Zero's now 12-4 in his last 16 ZvZs .
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Jangbi will take it home, only toss with a pair.
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Germany2762 Posts
nice. thanks for giving me points in liquibet zero
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I didn't watch the 1st game, but from the last 3 games, I couldn't say who had more skill at all. I would say game 2 and game 4 were BO wins for each. Game 3 is not micro win at all. It was more how the game just played out. Savior lost the muta fight because his mutas were weakened a lot before the fight all because of the lings. Savior needed the mutas to kill off the lings and during then Zero's mutas did a lot of damage with free hits. Anyone could be in that position and lose.
Zero made the game winning decision by sending in his lings, but not because his skill in terms of micro was better. Not what I've seen at least. BUT maybe I should watch game 1.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:01 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 19:55 Highways wrote:On February 26 2009 19:54 DIMJkE wrote: Savior should have played terran. Yea, ZvZ is such a luck matchup. Except Savior had MORE LUCK than Zero. Game 1: 12 hatch > 12 Pool. Especially since Zero followed it up with expansion and lair. Game 2: 12 hatch > 12 Pool. Cross positions Game 3: Equal, as Carthage forces 12 hatch Game 4: 12 hatch < 9 pool. ZvZ is a muta/scourge micro-fest. And Savior isn't among the best at these. Game 2 was 10 expo, Overlord, 100 gas, all in lings.
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United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:03 keV. wrote: Jangbi will take it home, only toss with a pair.
Yes....a pair of pushover quarterfinal/semifinal opponents
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Well... Thanks for the fail Savior, it's been fun.
Time to cheer for ZerO I guess.
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Well Leta is pretty much a shoe in for msl finals, given his next 2 opponents are zerg and he's just retarded good at that MU. Lux def has a better shot at taking him down. I would like nada to win the right bracket but watching a Bo5 tvt finals doesn't really sound that great, so I'm pulling for stork to win. I love tvt but I dunno if I'm prepared for a potential 4 hour + msl final lol.
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Sucks that all the SKT1 players are in the OSL and got kicked out of the MSL.
I`m not a big fan of whose left =(. Leta vs. Jangbi sounds nice though.
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On February 26 2009 19:58 darkemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 19:57 konadora wrote:On February 26 2009 19:56 Mista wrote: First Bisu->Jaedong->Flash and now sAviOr. This MSL sucks. But props to ZerO,he played great. Speaking of which, there aren't any more S-Class players left in Lost Saga MSL are there? Savior is S-Class ? You have got to be kidding me .. He was just pathetic today. FFS opponent was Zero. *sigh* It is decided. Leta vs Jangbi Finals. //
Wtf is up with you people calling sAviOr pathetic because he lost in fucking ZvZ? It is no secret that he's a low apm player so microing against someone like ZerO surely isn't his strength. But what gives you the right to call one of the most achieved and genius players in the history of starcraft pathetic? Seriously, what is it with you?
Let me tell you one thing. If ZerO had lost in the same fashion, NO ONE would be rambling about a pathetic performance or something like that. Maybe it was a questionable decision to go 12 hatch again in the last game. But then again, it was a 4-player map. Might as well have worked.
ZerO played well, his micro was better today, and that's it.
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On February 26 2009 20:01 VioleTAK wrote: Leta vs Jangbi would suck, like watching a courage group or something. NaDa vs sAviOr was the only epic way for this MSL to go :-( Too saddd... 0 bah. kk enough of that I guess. *moves on, the day has just began*
I'm sorry, but Nada right now is the definition of mediocrity. He's still pretty good TvT because of his great decision-making. But his overall skills are by far the worst among the remaining players.
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Singapore66071 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:02 DucK- wrote:Hey guys, I'm not too familiar with zvz. Could anyone give a rough overview on the pros and cons of the ZvZ builds. 9Pool 12pool Overpool 12Hatch Sometimes I see Zergs going for Spores too instead of Mutas, what's the advantage? :O Thanks  Appreciate it
9Pool allows the fastest aggression, while giving you alot of options, either tech immediately or get another hatchery, either at base or expo.
12 pool allows you to be ahead in economy, but slower on tech, and more open to risks. Used more often if it's a big map.
Overpool is the same as 9pool, except it slows your pool a bit slower while allowing you to continue pumping drones.
12 hatch is the more economic-safe option, but high risks (refer to game 4)
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
this msl officially sucks now unless nada wins
maybe ..luxury or leta would be ok i guess.
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On February 26 2009 20:04 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 20:03 keV. wrote: Jangbi will take it home, only toss with a pair. Yes....a pair of pushover quarterfinal/semifinal opponents
haha, no argument there. If I have to watch a toss, I'd prefer it be Jangbi
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On February 26 2009 20:01 VioleTAK wrote: Leta vs Jangbi would suck, like watching a courage group or something. NaDa vs sAviOr was the only epic way for this MSL to go :-( Too saddd... 0 bah. kk enough of that I guess. *moves on, the day has just began*
Yeah this MSL is over me after this crushing dream.. :/
I hope we will get to see Bisu vs Jaedong Finals in OSL , it has to be or the first series of tournament of this year will suck hard.
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United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:04 Rucky wrote: I didn't watch the 1st game, but from the last 3 games, I couldn't say who had more skill at all. I would say game 2 and game 4 were BO wins for each. Game 3 is not micro win at all. It was more how the game just played out. Savior lost the muta fight because his mutas were weakened a lot before the fight all because of the lings. Savior needed the mutas to kill off the lings and during then Zero's mutas did a lot of damage with free hits. Anyone could be in that position and lose.
Zero made the game winning decision by sending in his lings, but not because his skill in terms of micro was better. Not what I've seen at least. BUT maybe I should watch game 1.
You should definitely check out game 1 - again, strategy decisions had a big impact (and Savior made a couple poor ones) but I think Zero did a consistently better job with his micro, in the few muta encounters that did take place. More than that he seemed simply to be in the right place at the right time more often than Savior, picking off OLs and keeping Savior on the defensive.
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On February 26 2009 20:04 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 20:01 baubo wrote:On February 26 2009 19:55 Highways wrote:On February 26 2009 19:54 DIMJkE wrote: Savior should have played terran. Yea, ZvZ is such a luck matchup. Except Savior had MORE LUCK than Zero. Game 1: 12 hatch > 12 Pool. Especially since Zero followed it up with expansion and lair. Game 2: 12 hatch > 12 Pool. Cross positions Game 3: Equal, as Carthage forces 12 hatch Game 4: 12 hatch < 9 pool. ZvZ is a muta/scourge micro-fest. And Savior isn't among the best at these. Game 2 was 10 expo, Overlord, 100 gas, all in lings.
Sorry. Kind of wrote 12 hatch out of habit. Still the point remains. Savior had the advantage in BO in general in this series. He's just not as good as Zero ZvZ.
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United States12607 Posts
On February 26 2009 20:05 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2009 20:04 JWD wrote:On February 26 2009 20:03 keV. wrote: Jangbi will take it home, only toss with a pair. Yes....a pair of pushover quarterfinal/semifinal opponents haha, no argument there. If I have to watch a toss, I'd prefer it be Jangbi
I totally agree, from the perspective that JangBi will produce the most entertaining final. I'm just hoping that whoever qualifies from the other half of the bracket will take the title ^^
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