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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
July 16 2019 15:23 GMT
#61
On July 16 2019 23:06 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2019 21:42 tanngard wrote:
On July 16 2019 21:24 Dante08 wrote:
On July 16 2019 21:23 FlopTurnReaver wrote:
Oh great, an all P group, how exciting!

Why do they always do this? I thought they cared about showing exciting games to the fans so much?


I guess it's good that they get mirror matchups out of the way early so it reduces the chances later in the tournament?

You realize that we are looking at a potential of 11 pvp matches in that ro16 group? This is a travesty for the viewers. It's so ridicolous. Not only can he manipulate his own group, but even sabotage his rivals by tampering with two other groups than his own.

So many seasons in the ro16 we repeat this sort of thing where two groups are good, two groups are laughable. So not only is it unfair to bestow the current champion with this advantage, but it is also damaging for the viewers.



Lmao you hating a matchup doesn't make it a travesty.

Where did i say i hate pvp? I enjoy the matchup in fact. But having a group of all mirror matchups will get tiresome in the end. For semantic reasons it might be a better to use a word like " really bad" than "travesty", i could concede that.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-16 15:44:20
July 16 2019 15:43 GMT
#62
eh i dont think it will be too bad, its just a deep dive into the matchup. Most of the games will be quick reaver pushes and over in ten anyway. if the pvp group was a tvt group it would take a week to complete. we are blessed.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-16 16:05:20
July 16 2019 16:02 GMT
#63
On July 16 2019 23:50 Wonk wrote:
my undertanding of the format was bo1s for the first 2 games, bo3s for the winners, losers and final games. giving 2x bo1s and 3x bo3s, 11 sets theoretically.

I remembered it differently but that makes sense then thanks man

EDIT: COOL! I think it's great that the possibly best pvp players are playing against each other and they all have to only prepare for this matchup. What I'd do if I wouldn't be interested in this group is to just skip it.

EDIT2: Hope to see Stork go through~~~ <3 <3
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8176 Posts
July 16 2019 16:05 GMT
#64
going to pick:

group a - last / sharp
group b - mini / action
group c - rain / stork
group d - flash / soulkey
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-16 16:51:51
July 16 2019 16:48 GMT
#65
Group A: TvT fest. Really tough for Rush, ez for Last and Sharp. Group B: Looks exciting. I think Larva in a lot trouble: 1) If he gets Mini on Block Chain he's done 2) Unredictable ZvZ vs. one of the consistent zergs Action 3) Monster TvZ terran Light. Group C: PvP fest. I think Stork has an upper hand here but Rain, Snow and BeSt aren't forces to joke with. Group D looks like cakewalk for FlaSh, only force is SK. I'm not that convinced about Sacsri even if he won his group by defating FlaSh, IMO he got lucky.

Group A (head): Last, Sharp.
Group A (heart): Sharp, Rush.

Group B (head): Mini, Action.
Group B (heart): Larva, Action.

Group C (head): Stork, Rain.
Group C (heart): Stork, BeSt.

Group D (head): Flash, SK.
Group D (heart): Sacsri, SK.

EDIT: I forgot, ro16 going to be bo3 right? Then it's ever better and exciting and of course unpredictable.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1132 Posts
July 16 2019 17:24 GMT
#66
Its more predictable, you mean. Less variance.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
July 16 2019 17:44 GMT
#67
On July 17 2019 01:48 outscar wrote:
Group A: TvT fest. Really tough for Rush, ez for Last and Sharp. Group B: Looks exciting. I think Larva in a lot trouble: 1) If he gets Mini on Block Chain he's done 2) Unredictable ZvZ vs. one of the consistent zergs Action 3) Monster TvZ terran Light. Group C: PvP fest. I think Stork has an upper hand here but Rain, Snow and BeSt aren't forces to joke with. Group D looks like cakewalk for FlaSh, only force is SK. I'm not that convinced about Sacsri even if he won his group by defating FlaSh, IMO he got lucky.

Group A (head): Last, Sharp.
Group A (heart): Sharp, Rush.

Group B (head): Mini, Action.
Group B (heart): Larva, Action.

Group C (head): Stork, Rain.
Group C (heart): Stork, BeSt.

Group D (head): Flash, SK.
Group D (heart): Sacsri, SK.

EDIT: I forgot, ro16 going to be bo3 right? Then it's ever better and exciting and of course unpredictable.


I get that Stork is back and everyone is excited about it, it's even likely he is favored to advance over Snow and Best, but over Rain, the king of PvP? Also, group A should be easy for Last but Sharp's weak TvZ makes Zelot a respectable opponent.

Overall, I tend to agree with you but my heart says Mini, Larva from group B(maybe my head too) and Best, Snow from group C(but that's almost impossible).
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1132 Posts
July 16 2019 17:53 GMT
#68
Last&Rush
Action&Larva
Rain&Stork
Flash&SoulKey
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
July 16 2019 18:16 GMT
#69
The Muta vs Goliath battle in the loser match made me so sad. Zero micro from Zerg :-(
Aesthetician
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
20 Posts
July 16 2019 19:01 GMT
#70
Nice to see Stork coming back in to form- his appearance has changed a lot since the old days. Not too happy with the casters, I ended up just watching the Korean stream. I'm not trying to be a hater but when I watch casters other than Tastosis they just don't have that level of professionalism, polish, and game knowledge that makes it so entertaining to listen to. More professional SCBW casters other than just Tasteless and Artosis would be so awesome. Cadenzie seems like she has some game knowledge but her delivery is rather lackluster, she sounds like an amateur streaming on twitch rather than a professional commentator.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8707 Posts
July 16 2019 21:04 GMT
#71
Well, Best crushed the group as expected and Light just played his solid style in the other games. The last game was really nice though.

On July 17 2019 03:16 superjoppe wrote:
The Muta vs Goliath battle in the loser match made me so sad. Zero micro from Zerg :-(


Yes that was incomprehensible. : /

On July 17 2019 00:43 Dazed. wrote:
eh i dont think it will be too bad, its just a deep dive into the matchup. Most of the games will be quick reaver pushes and over in ten anyway. if the pvp group was a tvt group it would take a week to complete. we are blessed.


I would rather watch a pure TvT group than a pure PvP group. xD
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13497 Posts
July 17 2019 01:37 GMT
#72
Shame it wasn’t Sacsri in group one instead of Zelot. His ZvT has been great to watch lately.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
July 17 2019 06:48 GMT
#73
On July 17 2019 06:04 Miragee wrote:
Well, Best crushed the group as expected and Light just played his solid style in the other games. The last game was really nice though.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2019 03:16 superjoppe wrote:
The Muta vs Goliath battle in the loser match made me so sad. Zero micro from Zerg :-(


Yes that was incomprehensible. : /

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2019 00:43 Dazed. wrote:
eh i dont think it will be too bad, its just a deep dive into the matchup. Most of the games will be quick reaver pushes and over in ten anyway. if the pvp group was a tvt group it would take a week to complete. we are blessed.


I would rather watch a pure TvT group than a pure PvP group. xD

I second that last statement, though it might be too long.
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
July 17 2019 09:30 GMT
#74
On July 16 2019 23:51 [AS]Rattus wrote:
creigthon should keep his conclusions to himself though.

jyj and miso kinda disappointed me today.


You should keep your opinions to yourself though
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 17 2019 09:45 GMT
#75
Just watched all the game, what the hell was the zerg thinking in the losers match? So much wasted mutas for nothing...
BW is back
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
July 17 2019 12:44 GMT
#76
Caring about the players makes PvP much more exciting though. I'm sure that's true of any match up. But there's three old Protoss players I love in that group and in all likelyhood Rain will go through and two of my favourites will go out.
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
July 17 2019 13:50 GMT
#77
My ro16 predictions:
Group A: Last and Sharp (Although I hope Zelot displays some epic ZvT cheezes)
Group B: Mini and Action (Althought Light might advance over Action)
Group C: Rain and Stork (Snow seems his nerves crack in PvP)
Group D: Flash and Soulkey

TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway386 Posts
July 17 2019 21:50 GMT
#78
On July 17 2019 04:01 Aesthetician wrote:
Nice to see Stork coming back in to form- his appearance has changed a lot since the old days. Not too happy with the casters, I ended up just watching the Korean stream. I'm not trying to be a hater but when I watch casters other than Tastosis they just don't have that level of professionalism, polish, and game knowledge that makes it so entertaining to listen to. More professional SCBW casters other than just Tasteless and Artosis would be so awesome. Cadenzie seems like she has some game knowledge but her delivery is rather lackluster, she sounds like an amateur streaming on twitch rather than a professional commentator.


Cadenzie is doing fine, improving from one cast to the next.
She does also provide the knowledge, and even thought her co-caster was not on top of bw-related matters, he did do a decent job by asking her questions about what was happening, thus 'complementing' her in this cast.

Cadenzie plays at the top level in league(s) now, lives in Korea, and is rapidly improving her skills and getting to know other progamers on a personal level, just as Tastosis have done in the past. So IMO they both can have the same level of 'game knowledge', but Tastosis have been casting and casting ASL in particular since the get go, therefore they have a lot more relations & experience in the specific caster-situations.

It's not easy to please everybody so if you have listened a long time to Tastosis then perhaps a word of advice: Be more patient before commentating stuff like this. Especially that last sentence: 'she has some knowledge bla bla', kinda tells me that you do not know of Cadenzies or her skill level in general, and when you are uninformed, perhaps its better to NOT voice your opinion to the world, when clearly YOU are the amateur?

Atleast be more detailed when critizizing. It's a 20 year old game, be happy there still are casters providing english content & commentary. Or go do better yourself :-)

Second time now (commentating on other posters before the games) but this stuff really irritates me...

I think the last group had decent games, Best was in Be(a)st mode!
My predicitons for Ro16:
Group A: Last & Zelot
Group B: Mini & Action
Group C: Rain & Snow
Group D: Flash & Soulkey



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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-17 23:21:55
July 17 2019 23:21 GMT
#79
A - Last, Sharp
B - Mini, Action
C - Rain, Best
D - Flash, Soulkey (or Horangi if SK can't play)

Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
941 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-18 05:02:54
July 18 2019 05:02 GMT
#80
I actually enjoyed the cast, shame it's not always we can have the privilege of having a high skill player who is actually playing the game like Cadenzie.

When is Tastosis is like what Artosis plays casually while Tasteless adds memes to the cast because his wrists are dead?
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