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On April 08 2006 09:21 InfectedMind wrote:
My previews comment was for Ready.
Now HungZerg, tell me then how an European map can become a pro map? Every map have to start from somewhere. You can't just make a map and put it directly in to the OGN map pack or something like this... Only koreans are doing this with only koreans maps. So is PGTour a Korean league? NO! Then what is the problem to put a european map in the PGTour map pack. I don't give a shit if koreans will play or not. They have so many tournaments and leagues, they are not crying that Sattarchasm is in the PGTour map pool. They just don't care, because they have their own map packs in their own leagues.
You are an amrican. Why NBA is not crying about some rules and shits all around the world about Basketball? Because they don't care, and they don't need anything! They just play in USA, have the big money in their pockets and thats it. The same is in Korea, but it's StarCraft, not BasketBall.
So lets get on the topic what map will be a MotS, i don't care if you want a MotS map or not. And i am sure that many others don't care also. you dont have to force an unproven map on the server for an entire season with an additional bonus to introduce it to the community. and nba is very different from starcraft, if you cant see why you are not worth explaining it to.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On April 08 2006 04:43 Starparty wrote:
the fact remains that about 130 000 games has been played on Sattarchasm. I dont think people played just because they get 10pts more than normal MotW. who plays something that isnt fun?
You know what else is fun? Climbing a ladder faster than your peers  .
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
I think the MOTS should award the *same* number of points as the MOTWs.
Pros:
o If the map is unbalanced or it sucks, then you can play one of the MOTWs for the same bonus.
o The # of games on the map will be stronger-correlated with how good and how popular the map is, since the point-bonus is no longer such a big incentive to play on it.
Cons:
o The map gets fewer games played on it. (I'm sure it would still get a lot of attention, though)
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Yea, Bill's idea would be much more relevent to how good the map is. I actually thought this is the way it was done until recently because any other way is just weird to me.
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I'd like to see Dark Sauron or Requiem as a MOTS.
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just ignore this entire debate and put blood bath in. it's the only way
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maybe we could just ask some former foreigner in korea to help out with balance issues
i remember legionnaire giving advice on balanced/imbalanced maps and im kind of conviced he knows what he's talking about
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On April 08 2006 10:44 Bill307 wrote:
I think the MOTS should award the *same* number of points as the MOTWs.
Pros:
o If the map is unbalanced or it sucks, then you can play one of the MOTWs for the same bonus.
o The # of games on the map will be stronger-correlated with how good and how popular the map is, since the point-bonus is no longer such a big incentive to play on it.
Cons:
o The map gets fewer games played on it. (I'm sure it would still get a lot of attention, though)
Not really the same - the MOTS has 9 weeks of people playing on it for a bonus as opposed to normal MOTWs having 2 weeks.
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United States5262 Posts
Hey infected mind, aren't you that Bulgarian mapmaker named LGI?
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On April 08 2006 17:20 jkillashark wrote:
Hey infected mind, aren't you that Bulgarian mapmaker named LGI?
Yes, he is.
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WCG maps would be good idea.
And the bad thing about sattar is that some newbs dodged saying "sorry sattar or no game", but it's not really a problem since they woulda dodge in any other way too.
And Idra yeah ur right, but then you shouldn't care because only bad players play sattarchasm and well, u may gain points from bad players but the real goal is to play only vs good players so, that's more like a filter for you to play only vs good players if u don't sattar, only i know sometimes maybe a little time comsuming to find non sattar games, its not that bad.
But PLEASE dont make a MOTS for 2v2 ladder.... its like u gotta play only 1 map in 2v2 the whole season(nobody would play any other map), and it's even worse in 2v2 since there the people is too much more gay than in 1v1 (dodging, whining, etc.)..., and a bad 2v2 map too (boring)
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Yes, i am LGI.
Now it's my problem that i have bad English and i don't understand all of what you've said Bill. But i just want to point that i am very intrested in Koreans work in mapdori, but i can't even logged in there. The language is stopping me. And i don't think i am rasism to them. My most favourite players are from there my clips on my PC who stayed on my HDD, not just watch and delete are only koreans too. Anyway my point was that 95% of the pro maps are from Korea, but i think that the level of mapping in the world (outside Korea) is getting their level. But people get used to see only Korean maps and they respect only them, because they don't believe that anybody else (outside Korea) can produse a better map.
I will give an example in the bulgarian server for Brood War - Headoff.
This is the server where i test my maps with many players in 1v1, 2v2 and FFA mode. They are a lot who like to play new maps, but they are some people who read the name of the map and don't even see the map on the mini map and say "-Did you make it? -Yes. -Only Koreans can make maps." and leave the game... This is just one of the cases in Headoff. Anyway right now you can even find in public games, people play my maps there.
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Baekdoo Daegan or Arcadia~
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On April 08 2006 11:55 Go)Pro( wrote:
I'd like to see Dark Sauron or Requiem as a MOTS.
Dark sauron WTF theres little enough zergs in pgt already  ( i think ?)
Requiem is NICE but we need a new map, its already a motw.
Gogo Grapes of Wrath/Chameleon/ Blood bath.
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I think RoV, it's not played enough in foreign community and is a good map.
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If a map is made by Rose.of.Dream, people will play it regardless. But if it's made by a foreigner they don't know, regardless of how good the map is, they dont want to play it.
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Personally I think RoV would be a great choice... I mean, yeah it's been used before and such, but it is innovative with the huge ramps, and makes for some interesting games.
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Zergmap pls  gogo
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On April 08 2006 07:37 SoMuchBetter wrote:
no one is going to play it if it doesn't get the point boost
and there are pro maps as motw for the entire season. the extra bonus is pretty neglible as well with only 10 more points. I think it was great that so many games were played on sattarchasm though.
if you dont want to play on an annoying cutesy unproven most likely imbalaced map then you dont have to play the mots. when i played pgt (start of the season) there were a lot of people who didn't play on sattarchasm+ whatsoever, so i don't see what you're complaining about.
theres pretty much no difference between people playing sattarchasm only and people playing only on some other map either. if you dont want to play on sattarchasm then you ignore those spamming for sattarchasm only, the same way you avoid playing on some other maps that you dont like
personally, i found it refreshing playing on different maps. sattarchasm was actually a decent map. towards the end of the season i believe the stats of map began to even out, which is contrary to all those protoss players whining about how impossible it is to play on it in every matchup (the race of men huh)
Your problem is that you are assuming reasons for why the balance is improving over the course of the season that you shouldn't assume. People naturally gravitate towards maps that favor them and avoid maps that they suck on. It's stupid, because ladder rank is really pretty meaningless anyway (especially when compared with things like WCG performance), but people do it anyway, and they do it by the truckload.
You should see how many people spam channel 1v1 Sattar you P!
So now you say, if it's really so bad, then why does anybody actually join the games? Because everyone else who is overly concious of their ladder rank avoids it, and the crowd of players willing to play it either has not played it before, or is a (on average) better player who is willing to play any PGT map for experience.
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