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On November 17 2012 20:41 Kiante wrote:
Act feminine? I'm really not sure what you're trying to say there but I don't really understand it. We're here as a team to win. We showed up to win. You didn't show up. We win. pretty simple.
If we no-showed you would do the same.
Yes, I understand your point of view and I also understand that you don't care about the way things turned out for us. First, you ask the organisers to reschedule the time for your cw's to a different time a day before our match, then you don't care if we knew about that or not and decided to be there with your players when it was good for you and take wo. And no, we wouldn't have done the same if it was the opposite. In fact, we would've acted gm and want to play the games anyway, not to mention we wouldn't make up a different time that was better for us a day before a cw with anyone.
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Australia7069 Posts
We asked a week ago. It was in this thread. If you read the thread you would've been aware. I really doubt that all of your players didn't check tl in the 36 hours preceding the games and couldn't have organised something.
what happened here in fact was just us being more prepared than you, and maybe you can use this as a learning experience and actually check relevant information when you know you have a game coming up.
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On November 17 2012 20:24 Kiante wrote:
the time was changed more than 36 hours ago, and the potential changing of times was talked about in this thread extensively more than a week ago. Are you saying you need more than a week to become aware of time changes?
it's 9.30pm ish where i am right now, but the NZ'ers are ahead of us i think, around 11.30
I made a quick look at the posts in this thread regarding AP playing time. The team was formed November 9th, 17:50 KST time with the sluggaslamoo post about it, who was assured beforehand by ForeignBW that AP would get a reasonable time to play ('15CET or 23CET, etc, depending on geographical location of the opponent.'). After that, a little before the creation of EE team (with my post), sluggaslamoo rightfully asks 'I would like to know whos on the Eastern Europe Team and who to PM to organise time.'. I still haven't been contacted by him nor anybody regarding the matter. After that, there are less than 8 (?) posts in total regarding AP playing time. That, by my standards, is not an extensive talk regarding an issue that has many players involved.
I am sorry for the situation that have arisen but a decision, even if confirmed by us 36 hours ago, for us means we had less than 15 hours of to be awake and to communicate that between each other. That is far from sufficient (and fair since we did not confirm) amount of time.
Imo the situation is unique and we can't even find appropriate rules that apply in such a situation. (as it was in GC R1, where I should have been banned from a regular season's CW week, and not in the final imo since the rules can be interpreted both ways)
Also, we are all here to win, that is correct. But we are also here to play. And that is why the league is not involving countries, but particular regions (imho). Because the BW scene is shrinked and we will watch a league full of w.os. I don't believe a sponsor or an audience would want that. (again imho)
Also there is a huge difference between a 'no-show' and a 'no-show with cicrumstances as we are facing now'. The statement 'If we no-showed you would do the same.' is pretty misguiding in this situation. If we had the CW at 14CET (suppose there was no word about rescheduling), yes - we would expect to receive a w.o.
But if I, as captain, were to make a decision whether to insist on w.o or not in the following cicrumstances : 1. our opponents are not here; 2. our team talked hours before the CW with only the organizers and received a rescheduling that is more comfortable to our team; 3. the rescheduling was NOT confirmed by opponent's team leader nor anybody speaking for him (coleader, player etc); 4. our team haven't spoken privately with the team about the time when we play; 5. we are at least on neutral terms with opponent's team;
I believe I wouldn't have insisted on a w.o. and don't give too much thought about it. Also, I would probably feel uncomfortable to receive as big as mine right now persuasions to not insist on a w.o in such cicrumstances, but that's probably just me. If my players pressured me for a w.o., I would say we can't expect a proper w.o. in such cicrumstances.
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Australia7069 Posts
We didn't talk to game about this "hours before". We asked a week ago. He posted in the thread which is where we read the information.the infomation was posted in the evening euro time, so a time your team would be likely to be browsing the forums a significant amount of time before the games. it was posted around 4am for us. It would be more likely for a european to be in receipt of the information than someone in our region due to this timing of the posting. You seem to think that we conspired this with the organiser, which is completely false. We asked in the thread, openly, WELL in advance. The post by game was made well before our matches giving both teams the same oportunity to get their teams together for the new time.
You're bending facts here to your own agenda. Realisticly, we had less than 24h to get our squad together and ready to play (most of us work full time and wouldn't browse TL in the morning, i think i got the PM from slugga last night around this time) while you had easily 36h. (easier to get the info at night and send around PM's + a full day to get replies and organise).
If you were reading the thread you would know we were asking for a new time and as the captain of your team it is your responsibilty to keep up to date. it doesn't take much effort to jump on TL once a day and make sure everything is in place for the upcoming war. I know I did, and i only really signed up to the team a couple of days ago. Maybe you should stop trying so hard to try and twist the circumstances of your no-show and make a better effort to organise your team in the future
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If EE wants a rescheduling that is more comfortable to EE, I make sure I contact the appropriate people from the opponent's team/teams. I haven't been contacted by fold, nor slugg. So I can be faulty for not following the thread 24/7, as a captain? But AP's leaders can't be faulty for not contacting me since EE was created? I believe it's easier to write a PM, than follow the thread 24/7. Post factum, I totally disagree with 11CET...
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Australia7069 Posts
WE didn't reschedule.
Game rescheduled.
How is that hard to comprehend. we didn't decide the 11 time. we asked a week ago if a different time was possible.
The time was posted in the thread, where we read it. that was where we found out. We then showed up at that time.
we didn't concoct the time, we simply requested, openly in the thread, a week ago. that was the limit of our influence over the time change.
We both had the same oportunity to read the thread, which is where all of the rescheduling has occured.
it's not our repsonsibility to pm you about something we read in a public thread that you should be checking. get your shit in order.
edit: just to add more clarification: the organiser (lrm)game) rescheduled the time publicly in the thread (wasn't known in advance by us or you) 36 hours ahead. He obviously assumed that this amount of pre-warning was enough for both teams to organise themselves to attend, otherwise he would've posted earlier.
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Imo the whole process of rescheduling was and still is with the idea in mind to comply with AP's needs only. I don't think that any justful rescheduling processes harm way more one team over another.
I will conform to any decision made by the admin staff on the matter.
Also I will further rethink my position in this league.
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I'm not siding with anyone here, but would it be possible to get rescheduling/changes in format etc on the front page, teamliquid.net/bw ?
And not only for NW, but for all currently running leagues? It feels really sad as a viewer to miss out on potentially awesome games solely due to a miss in communication. 
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On November 17 2012 22:39 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Imo the whole process of rescheduling was and still is with the idea in mind to comply with AP's needs only. I don't think that any justful rescheduling processes harm way more one team over another.
I will conform to any decision made by the admin staff on the matter.
Also I will further rethink my position in this league.
Yes it was done to help us in terms of making the time more reasonable but still fair to both teams, but all of this was conducted openly in the thread. you definetly had time to add input (a week ago when we requested a different time you could have easily had some input (ie: x time is better than y time for us, we cant make x time) etc. Hell, ANY post in the thread prior to our games requesting a reschedule would've been fine for us. The fact that you only posted after no-showing even though there was plenty of time to get that post in is the issue here.
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I don't want to invite my friends over to watch a walkover over a couple of beers. Solve this.
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Sorry but I couldn't make an input regarding AP's needs 7 days ago. Our team is 5 days old including today.
Also yes - a post of mine regarding AP's needs would have been better than nothing. But even better than me posting, would have been a leader or a player from AP to ask me about the matter in the thread or just PM me. LoccXito typed to me with a player suggestion to which I fastly responded.
Again, I am awaiting the decision by the admin staff that I will conform with.
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Just a question, are there admins present during these cws? You would think that there would've been one there at the new time just to give the final say on the matter rather than always disputing in the threads.
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Kiante, are you really going though all this BS just so you can dodge a cw with EE given the circumstances? Don't you think that's really sad and is not at all in the spirit of this league? This is all I am going to say.
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Just wait for admin's decision on this.
I don't know why you guys couldn't arrange to play at that time when we managed to...It's not like we were informed ahead of time what time it would change to. I don't like W.O. either but realistically when are we going to play? On weekdays where people might not have time to play? The time zone differences makes it impossible, it's day for us and night for you and vice versa.
Other teams, you're playing Asia Pacific at 11CET, please remember that.
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op sbwi in general and for our match navswe.
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Any way we can get the casts on the calendar? I'm pretty confused about when/where/how to watch this. Also, it'd be awesome if we can get a solid youtube organization of all SBWI Videos, especially these casts!
(This is me talking without being sure if this has happened yet)
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On November 18 2012 03:19 TheShimmy wrote:
Any way we can get the casts on the calendar? I'm pretty confused about when/where/how to watch this. Also, it'd be awesome if we can get a solid youtube organization of all SBWI Videos, especially these casts!
(This is me talking without being sure if this has happened yet)
You can watch this at
Twitch.tv/hacklebeast
in one hour from now (20:30 cet). I submitted the calender event, and PMed one of the mods in the IRC. Not sure if it will actually get up in time. No promises about solid youtube organization.
Edit: It's on the calender. Thanks 2pac
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you cast it today hackle ?
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