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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#641
Yeah, no Beesuit and this happens.
And seriously why didn't they just make a season of Protoss favored maps ? They just rotate from Zerg maps to Terran maps then back to Zerg maps for each new season, doesn't make sense at all.
Khassar de Templari
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 20 2011 11:20 GMT
#642
On January 20 2011 20:20 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
The mapmakers were like ''Let's even the playing field between Flash and Jaedong a little so the finals are a bit more interesting this year''. That idea backfired. ZvZ+ZvZ incoming.

We had 3 terrans in ro4 last season. Would have been 4 if it wasn't for JD.

And we also had sick semifinals because of it. ZvZ semifinals will be zzzzzzzz.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 20 2011 11:21 GMT
#643
I dont think stork fucked up that bad today. It was hard to scout that fake and with his 1 gate into reaver sair build it was to hard to push out in time to secure a 3ed or harass. pvz is just damn hard on these maps.

Being a protoss fan is overall mostly sad. I am still hoping for some light but it looks kinda bad atm. all zerg semi would be horrible and and terran at least have a player in the OSL final....again. if he play a zerg then it will be all dark for protoss.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
January 20 2011 11:21 GMT
#644
On January 20 2011 20:17 ArvickHero wrote:
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On January 20 2011 20:15 hauton wrote:
great played outstanding - I would love to hear what his apm was, because mechanically he was out of this world.

Supermacroing off 4gas hive while microing defilers, queens and several fronts of attack while harassing the 3rd with lings and moving drones to his 5th - sublime.

great's battle micro seemed pretty bad to me tbh, if the game were a bit more conventional I'd say Kal might've won that

How so?

Aside from Swarming Hydras vs Archon/Zealot (when the game was already over), I really enjoyed Great's play. Kal on the other hand had HTs being sniped all game long, and lost a ton of corsairs over the duration of the match, the most troubling of which was when he basically passive-moved his entire corsair force the entire length of the map without looking and ate about 8 scourges.
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
January 20 2011 11:22 GMT
#645
On January 20 2011 20:18 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
The mapmakers were like ''Let's even the playing field between Flash and Jaedong a little so the finals are a bit more interesting this year''. That idea backfired. ZvZ+ZvZ incoming.

Well, Flash lost to two terrans lol. That ain't mapmaking's fault.

Yeah, but now he isn't around to take out mediocre zergs along the way.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
January 20 2011 11:22 GMT
#646
On January 20 2011 20:18 ]343[ wrote:
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On January 20 2011 20:17 ShadeR wrote:
Wow thats a lot of votes for Stork vs Zero. i thought stork played terribly... he lost what 2 shuttles 2 reavers for nothing? Zero played flawlessly but felt it was more 1 players failiure.


I don't think it was for nothing LOL

the first reaver snipe was absolutely beautiful. stork knew zero saw the shuttle with his zergling, but still persisted in going in. he didn't see anything. then BAM HYDRAS

in the battle near the 3rd, stork's reavers paid for themselves.

i watched vod again. Stork lost his first reaver, saved the shuttle then a few minutes later dt dropped and then lost the shuttle again and i suspect the shuttle was filled with a new reaver.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#647
On January 20 2011 20:22 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:18 ]343[ wrote:
On January 20 2011 20:17 ShadeR wrote:
Wow thats a lot of votes for Stork vs Zero. i thought stork played terribly... he lost what 2 shuttles 2 reavers for nothing? Zero played flawlessly but felt it was more 1 players failiure.


I don't think it was for nothing LOL

the first reaver snipe was absolutely beautiful. stork knew zero saw the shuttle with his zergling, but still persisted in going in. he didn't see anything. then BAM HYDRAS

in the battle near the 3rd, stork's reavers paid for themselves.

i watched vod again. Stork lost his first reaver, saved the shuttle then a few minutes later dt dropped and then lost the shuttle again and i suspect the shuttle was filled with a new reaver.
Inside the shuttle was a HT that he was going to storm drop with
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 11:28:16
January 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#648
On January 20 2011 20:22 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:18 ]343[ wrote:
On January 20 2011 20:17 ShadeR wrote:
Wow thats a lot of votes for Stork vs Zero. i thought stork played terribly... he lost what 2 shuttles 2 reavers for nothing? Zero played flawlessly but felt it was more 1 players failiure.


I don't think it was for nothing LOL

the first reaver snipe was absolutely beautiful. stork knew zero saw the shuttle with his zergling, but still persisted in going in. he didn't see anything. then BAM HYDRAS

in the battle near the 3rd, stork's reavers paid for themselves.

i watched vod again. Stork lost his first reaver, saved the shuttle then a few minutes later dt dropped and then lost the shuttle again and i suspect the shuttle was filled with a new reaver.

when they were showing the rep I'm pretty sure I saw a HT wireframe in the shuttle before it died

On January 20 2011 20:21 hauton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 20:17 ArvickHero wrote:
On January 20 2011 20:15 hauton wrote:
great played outstanding - I would love to hear what his apm was, because mechanically he was out of this world.

Supermacroing off 4gas hive while microing defilers, queens and several fronts of attack while harassing the 3rd with lings and moving drones to his 5th - sublime.

great's battle micro seemed pretty bad to me tbh, if the game were a bit more conventional I'd say Kal might've won that

How so?

Aside from Swarming Hydras vs Archon/Zealot (when the game was already over), I really enjoyed Great's play. Kal on the other hand had HTs being sniped all game long, and lost a ton of corsairs over the duration of the match, the most troubling of which was when he basically passive-moved his entire corsair force the entire length of the map without looking and ate about 8 scourges.

I dont think that really relates to my point about Great's not so great battle micro. His Zergling raids/harass were really good but that was pretty much it for me imo. His battle micro on a whole was never really topnotch, and if Kal did the Splash Toss push or the more standard HT/Goon timing push, I'd bet that Great would roll over and die
Writerptrk
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 11:25:10
January 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#649
Yeah it was an HT making its way to Zero's nat but sniped by hydras on the way.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
January 20 2011 11:26 GMT
#650
Kal had very uncharacteristically sloppy micro in that game; Great played well but I feel Kal could've put up more of a fight.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 20 2011 11:27 GMT
#651
Hum, I'm wqorried for Dinotoss in this league : there's not enough delay for him to prepare between game. Was sure it would be a hard match today, because he would obviously prepare for tomorow's game, which means different maps and keeping some builds.
Will he be prepared next week if he has his finals two days after ? I'm not sure, maybe he will have some leftover builds from his Bo5 against Modesty, and enough confidence in his PvT so that he prepares less. But with Zero playing well, and coming with nice builds, it's going to be tough. Plus the maps are not exactly good.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 20 2011 11:27 GMT
#652
Well at least the maps are alittle better in the OSL then MSL right? I think it was more even win % last time I checked.

Stork just has to take tomorrows semi. If protoss do not have a final contender in one of the two leuages, it will be disapointing. Watching tvz all the time is not all that fun for a protoss fan.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
January 20 2011 11:28 GMT
#653
On January 20 2011 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
The mapmakers were like ''Let's even the playing field between Flash and Jaedong a little so the finals are a bit more interesting this year''. That idea backfired. ZvZ+ZvZ incoming.

Well, not entirely the mapmakers fault. Who knew Forgg would retire like that and Light got knocked out by Stork who was placed in his group by Flash.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
January 20 2011 11:28 GMT
#654
Zero vs Stork game is recommended because of strategy Zero used. I saw zergs trying to fake 3hatch hydras into mass drones many times, but this is the first time when I see it actually working.

This might be the game of reference for a new strategy used by zergs in the future.

Also the way Zero accommodated (or predicted) to Stork build was nice. Stork looked like he never had a chance.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 20 2011 11:29 GMT
#655
Unless maps are seriously imbalanced, a great player should overcome that.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
January 20 2011 11:30 GMT
#656
It's a Bo5...why are people acting like Stork is already eliminated? I still think he'll beat Zero.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 20 2011 11:31 GMT
#657
On January 20 2011 20:29 StylishVODs wrote:
Unless maps are seriously imbalanced, a great player should overcome that.

Stork is human, I won't pretend otherwise :p
In fact, I just don't think he is the kind of guy to take dual gold. I like him for many other reasons.
But hey, I always hope he will prove me wrong.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
January 20 2011 11:31 GMT
#658
Well, Light is terribad in TvP so, it is hard for him to advance in starleague (should avoid strong tosses on the way)
why didn't they just make a season of Protoss favored maps ?

Gosh, They already done it. This season is full of P maps.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 20 2011 11:32 GMT
#659
On January 20 2011 20:30 DarkMatter_ wrote:
It's a Bo5...why are people acting like Stork is already eliminated? I still think he'll beat Zero.

I believe it's because he was pretty much raped.
However I agree with you, this game was pretty much decided after he threw up all those cannons and lost that first reaver/shuttle. But Zero did play really well though.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 20 2011 11:34 GMT
#660
On January 20 2011 20:31 Yodo wrote:
Well, Light is terribad in TvP so, it is hard for him to advance in starleague (should avoid strong tosses on the way)
Show nested quote +
why didn't they just make a season of Protoss favored maps ?

Gosh, They already done it. This season is full of P maps.

Literally all maps in the map pool for MSL are statistically favoured to Zerg in both match-ups (Dante's Peak 0-6 TvZ, fuck yeah!).

Map imba excuses are lame though, Stork did not lose that game vs Zero due to the map. I generally agree with Stylish's statement.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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