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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:29 ArvickHero wrote: well, that one was due to Bisu not knowing Iris had an extra base I think Yes, but what about the part where he let a nexus die to 4 vultures, and then another to 1 tank and 2 vultures? He kept slammed hallucinated zealots and some archons into Iris' defenses... Ah, I've clearly watched that game too many times... it was a great series! | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:31 Mortality wrote: In fairness he used them well. They just aren't the best option. hydra + muta + ling (mixture varying depending on what he has) is your ZvMech standard. Gas will probably stockpile, you can make plenty of scourge and you can easily afford guardians, which are actually pretty good against mech if you use them right. Defilers are fine, but you don't want to rely on them. You don't really need to rely on muta stacking either. One of the main purposes of the mutas is to force him to spend money on gols. vult+tank decimates ground... He had so many vessels and mutas are not upgraded. At most a few tanks down. But he will eventually need ultra/ling/swarm to break the line. Great is behind on upgrades and should have harrass econ instead. He turtled against Terran when he knows T > all at late game. | ||
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marcoso
Brazil818 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:33 dukethegold wrote: OP, the last set deserves a recommendation. imo only mid game is worth a watch, then it's the same thing over and over, into a very tense late game (in a good way, if you're watching it live), then just dragged out. Not recommended at all. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:35 Baddieko wrote: He had so many vessels and mutas are not upgraded. At most a few tanks down. But he will eventually need ultra/ling/swarm to break the line. Great is behind on upgrades and should have harrass econ instead. He turtled against Terran when he knows T > all at late game. T > all BUT Soulkey | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:35 Baddieko wrote: He had so many vessels and mutas are not upgraded. At most a few tanks down. But he will eventually need ultra/ling/swarm to break the line. Great is behind on upgrades and should have harrass econ instead. He turtled against Terran when he knows T > all at late game. Vessels aren't such a major problem when you are not relying on stacked mutas. Easy to invest +1 or +2 carapace. Each upgrade reduces goliath damage by 2. Meanwhile vessels are utterly worthless against hydras, which is a key muscle unit. For an example of using muta+hydra in Z v Mech, watch Mondragon vs Brat_OK on Destination from the last TSL. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:33 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Yes, but what about the part where he let a nexus die to 4 vultures, and then another to 1 tank and 2 vultures? He kept slammed hallucinated zealots and some archons into Iris' defenses... Ah, I've clearly watched that game too many times... it was a great series! I guess I should rewatch it then, I haven't watched that one that much xD | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4058 Posts
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On December 29 2010 15:47 Mortality wrote: Vessels aren't such a major problem when you are not relying on stacked mutas. Easy to invest +1 or +2 carapace. Each upgrade reduces goliath damage by 2. Meanwhile vessels are utterly worthless against hydras, which is a key muscle unit. For an example of using muta+hydra in Z v Mech, watch Mondragon vs Brat_OK on Destination from the last TSL. How hydra/ling beat 3/3 tanks? Any land units are going to melt. He can make 1 group of mutas to surprise midas but i doubt it gonna work on such high level. Some gols(he already had some gols in his mix) and irradiates will solve the problem, stacked or not. Zerg/Protoss has a chance to win the matchup before it gets to this point. Both rely on outplaying the def, harrass & follow up against terran to win. | ||
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
weird night for sc. I thought Khan would at least take one game off of Wemade | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
Damn u galaxy tab !!!! | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
CONFISCATE THE Galaxy Tab!! | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On December 29 2010 17:00 OpticalShot wrote: This is terrible -_-;; CONFISCATE THE Galaxy Tab!! I thought it was helping him play better? | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On December 29 2010 16:00 Baddieko wrote: How hydra/ling beat 3/3 tanks? Any land units are going to melt. He can make 1 group of mutas to surprise midas but i doubt it gonna work on such high level. Some gols(he already had some gols in his mix) and irradiates will solve the problem, stacked or not. Zerg/Protoss has a chance to win the matchup before it gets to this point. Both rely on outplaying the def, harrass & follow up against terran to win. You probably don't have a lot of expirience with TvZ mech. Mutalisk can tank a lot of goliath dmg and kill tanks pretty easy and are relatively cheap. Hydras die quickly to tanks but beat goliaths and have a lot of dps and are cheap. Zerglings can be sacrificed to tank fire because they are cheap. Aside from that, Zero has proven that Queen are pretty good vs mech because of broodlings | ||
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Sillylaughs
Canada198 Posts
MUST CONFISCATE | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Once it arrived... Stork: GUYS LETS (play this app) TOGETHER LAWL Rest of the team: HERP DERP YEAH January: ... *facepalm* | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On December 29 2010 17:41 Mortician wrote: You probably don't have a lot of expirience with TvZ mech. Mutalisk can tank a lot of goliath dmg and kill tanks pretty easy and are relatively cheap. Hydras die quickly to tanks but beat goliaths and have a lot of dps and are cheap. Zerglings can be sacrificed to tank fire because they are cheap. Aside from that, Zero has proven that Queen are pretty good vs mech because of broodlings These only worked on mid game when T don't have 200/200 3/3. Hydra/ling rushing/dropping onto tanks at this point of game are worse than ultra/ling, not to mention it will dry up the larvae. Morever Great didnt have 3/3 on his air, no zerg will upgrade unless he is going muta the whole game. Also, he needs stacked 1.5~2k gas to produce that much mutas for impact. Midas will definitely know it if the land units deplete. | ||
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Renkaoru
390 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On December 29 2010 17:24 infinitestory wrote: I thought it was helping him play better? how would a distraction help him play better lol unless he's watching starcraft reps on that thing | ||
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