EPT[SPL] MBCGame HERO vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 38
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:10 letian wrote: Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it. Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:05 Fenrax wrote: I think that JD either lets himself influence too much by that scouted Hydra Den or not enough. If he had planned the All-In from the getgo then he HAD TO change his strategy after getting scouted. It is just not possible to break a Terran of Light's skill level with Lurkers that he sees coming - his winning chance were probably around 0.x percent, it is just not happening. At that point (when the Den was scouted) he wasn't commited to anything. His eco was still normal and he hadnt made a ton of Lings. It would have been a loss but JD has come back from MUCH worse, even against Top players. He should have just droned up, maybe even made a Spire and played a catch up game. If he hadn't planned it, then it was a tilt to and that is far worse. It should not happen to a player of JDs caliber. Im really hoping the reason JD didnt transition to a macro game was because of not wanting to share his new late game innovations before deciding phases of OSL/MSL. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened I wouldn't be surprised, he's been carrying the team for years. It's just that with the new Bo7 it makes it so much harder. Wouldn't be surprised if JD goes back to the practice house and throws a few chairs around. If only Hiya won a few freaking games... | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:14 Ryo wrote: Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague. Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying. | ||
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mnesthes
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened I guess he just likes to all-in sometimes to be unpredictable. Like the 2x 4pool against flash in a bo5. This result is better for oz than 1-4 with only jaedong winning because even though jd lost today he'll still win most games in the future, but someone else winning is a big deal. Amazing game by anytime, even though he couldn't shut down that hidden expansion... just macroing a huge army and taking it without any tricks | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:18 mustaju wrote: Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying. Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD. | ||
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kdong90
United States281 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:20 Ryo wrote: Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD. I wouldn't even say JD played badly in that OSL game vs hiya. JD didn't play amazing, but it wasn't bad and hiya himself played pretty good. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:25 kdong90 wrote: I wouldn't even say JD played badly in that OSL game vs hiya. JD didn't play amazing, but it wasn't bad and hiya himself played pretty good. Sim-city that blocks defilers from going into your main to defend vs drops is pretty bad. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:20 Ryo wrote: Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD. Well I've been thiking that maybe Hiya is one of those players that needs to know who they play against... Since I think it was last season that they changed the rules so you don't know who you're opponnent is. I'd be curious to check up his stats to see if he's been losing a lot more since then. | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:36 NPF wrote: Well I've been thiking that maybe Hiya is one of those players that needs to know who they play against... Since I think it was last season that they changed the rules so you don't know who you're opponnent is. I'd be curious to check up his stats to see if he's been losing a lot more since then. Well, according to TLPD, HiyA was 26-17 during the 2009-2010 SPL, which is 60.47%. If we're talking about his stats during R4 and R5, it's still around 56 % (not sure exactly when R4 started). This season, he's 2-12 (14.29%). So at most, it probably is a small factor. I think it might have to do with the Bo7 format and practicing on more maps, or something. Or else HiyA's just trolling us Oz fans. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened Had also the impression that he looked extremely angry today, not the usual JD deathstare like expression, more like "fuck this shit here, i've got enough" or something like this : /. If only Hiya could step his play up and be something of a helping pillar. But he's failing left and right with a 14% win rate. I seriously hope Anytime will be able to change something, have the feeling that the mood is pretty shitty @ oz -_- | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
I would hate to be in Jaedong's shoes right now, especially when he places such a great emphasis on PL performance. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
So glad to see him back. (Hiya sucking in the PL is getting really old..) | ||
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Emon_
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
Two terrible ZvT from JD lately. SC2??? | ||
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