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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
March 14 2009 22:09 GMT
#21
And here I thought that this was going to be about the composer =(
TranslatorBaa!
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
March 14 2009 22:10 GMT
#22
i am learning important phrases first. for example, LOL!

4 minutes 30 secs
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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
March 14 2009 22:10 GMT
#23
Dude imagine having to play t with this....

Trying to build an scv/vulture/tank? It's on the OTHER SIDE OF THE KEYBOARD ROFL
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
March 14 2009 22:18 GMT
#24
On March 15 2009 07:10 roadrunner_sc wrote:
Dude imagine having to play t with this....

Trying to build an scv/vulture/tank? It's on the OTHER SIDE OF THE KEYBOARD ROFL


Siegeing is very easy tho ^^ No more patrolling tanks!
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Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
March 14 2009 22:18 GMT
#25
On March 15 2009 07:10 roadrunner_sc wrote:
Dude imagine having to play t with this....

Trying to build an scv/vulture/tank? It's on the OTHER SIDE OF THE KEYBOARD ROFL


The "easy" solution would be customizing the hotkeys to bind the necessary units to whatever place you're used to (as playing T on qwerty for example).

Yeah, it does sound like a lot of effort, I'm way too used to qwerty now and while I'm not dronebabo type-o-machine, I can type with sufficient speed (or so I think).

And I didn't die of exhaustion yet either
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
March 14 2009 22:23 GMT
#26
I learned how to type dvorak in college, but it's a pain in the ass having to remap keys for games. Also, for every study showing that dvorak is more efficient, there's one showing otherwise.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
March 14 2009 22:24 GMT
#27
On March 15 2009 07:10 intrigue wrote:
i am learning important phrases first. for example, LOL!

4 minutes 30 secs

Try typing "qwerty"
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intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 22:32:53
March 14 2009 22:26 GMT
#28
i am having a lot of trouble with the MWVZ row, but i think i'm doing well. i have covered my keyboard and am relying on memory.

6 min

ok, qwerty

20 secs

On March 15 2009 07:23 ShadowDrgn wrote:
I learned how to type dvorak in college, but it's a pain in the ass having to remap keys for games. Also, for every study showing that dvorak is more efficient, there's one showing otherwise.

you can toggle ezly in XP

approximately 1 min
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
March 14 2009 22:28 GMT
#29
You guys sound very miserable. I think I'll stick with my QWERTY and my 130 WPM. Woo.
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
March 14 2009 22:28 GMT
#30
I practiced with "the quick brown fox...", it got me touch typing pretty quickly.
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
March 14 2009 22:34 GMT
#31
On March 15 2009 05:25 semioldguy wrote:
I'll take any workout I can get... can we try to find the least efficient keyboard layout for typing to maximize the amount of workout I get while hardly doing anything strenuous?

I might be on board to try that.

Sounds like a good way to develop arthritis. Thats my main concern.
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Phrujbaz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Netherlands512 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 23:28:37
March 14 2009 22:55 GMT
#32
Qwerty is the most horrible keyboard layout ever, but it's everywhere, so it has that going for it. Colemak is a decent layout, but you have to learn it first. Fortunately, it leaves many qwerty keys right where they were, so you don't have to completely screw over you muscle memory.

Dvorak is better than qwerty, but still horrible, and it's not standard, too. So basically, dvorak is kinda useless.

To me switching from qwerty to dvorak instead of colemak is akin to switching from windows to mac.

Windows is a crap OS and the only thing it has going for it is that it is everywhere, and most software is developed for windows. Linux is a decent OS but sometimes you can't run your windows software on it.

Mac is better than windows, but still horrible, and you can also not run your windows software on it, so it's practically useless. Just like dvorak.
On March 15 2009 06:55 paper wrote:
it's not like dvorak is replacing your knowledge of the qwerty keyboard rofl

Actually, yeah it does. The first few months of typing in colemak, I was completely unable to use qwerty. After becoming decently fast in colemak, I relearned qwerty, and I can now type comfortably in both layouts. I'm still not quite as fast in qwerty as I used to be, but I am now faster in colemak than I ever was in qwerty, so that's ok.

I tried to learn another layout, on top of qwerty and colemak, but it was impossible to be fast in all three, so I gave up. Nearly every key was different from qwerty and colemak and the more keys are different the harder it is for the layout to coexist among others in your brain. Qwerty and colemak are fortunately fairly similar.

On a side note, obviously you will still play starcraft in qwerty, there is no advantage to relearn all the hotkeys in starcraft for colemak, only to be screwed over when you have to use somebody else's PC.

Try out colemak
http://blite.iki.fi/lab/alternative-keyboard-layouts/colemak

Or dvorak:
http://blite.iki.fi/lab/alternative-keyboard-layouts/dvorak
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
March 14 2009 23:26 GMT
#33
Am I the only one who thought of the composer? -_-
Stuck.
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
March 14 2009 23:32 GMT
#34
maybe i'll try switching this summer. i have too many papers to write right now to get used to this =(
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liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
March 14 2009 23:38 GMT
#35
On March 15 2009 08:26 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Am I the only one who thought of the composer? -_-


actually i was expecting a youtube link of one of his symphonies

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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 23:50:39
March 14 2009 23:49 GMT
#36
On March 15 2009 07:26 intrigue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2009 07:23 ShadowDrgn wrote:
I learned how to type dvorak in college, but it's a pain in the ass having to remap keys for games. Also, for every study showing that dvorak is more efficient, there's one showing otherwise.

you can toggle ezly in XP


What if you want to type messages in game? You'll either have to do it in qwerty or switch layouts, type, and switch back. I learned on a keyboard that actually had a button to switch between qwerty/dvorak and gaming was still too much of a hassle to bother with it.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 14 2009 23:52 GMT
#37
i really like how the qwerty has S and D right next to eachother
Dwell
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 15 2009 00:00 GMT
#38
I prefer qwerty.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
March 15 2009 00:01 GMT
#39
On March 15 2009 08:26 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Am I the only one who thought of the composer? -_-


Top post on page 2.
TranslatorBaa!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 00:33:49
March 15 2009 00:28 GMT
#40
On March 15 2009 07:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
You guys sound very miserable. I think I'll stick with my QWERTY and my 130 WPM. Woo.


This is basically my attitude as well except I'm slightly less at 120 wpm

However nothing wrong with typing faster, I would switch if I was able to switch every computer I would use at school to dvorak
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