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fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
January 04 2013 20:36 GMT
#21
That or the promoter himself was the rich kid
That also tends to happen these days ;;
Thats the new craze, book badass artists, and have the completely wrong vision of what kind of crowd to cater it to. And then be upset with the artist :D
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nofAcedAgent
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States952 Posts
January 04 2013 21:56 GMT
#22
How disrespectful. Thanks for linking the set, keep it real shadow
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
January 05 2013 00:07 GMT
#23
Sounds like most trash rich boy clubs that permeate London, guess everywhere is similar, pretty much run by dicks, for mindless sheep. Doubt anyone that cares about music gives a shit since they probably never go to places like that anyways.

Enjoyed the set though, cheers for linking
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 05 2013 00:45 GMT
#24
Barring 1-2 weaker moments this set is super good.
And organ donor coming in 60min, it never gets old

Stork[gm]
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
January 05 2013 04:33 GMT
#25
Jesus Christ. Doing this to DJ Shadow, a one-man revolution... disgusting.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
January 05 2013 05:17 GMT
#26
I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music. I do however live in Miami, and I have worked extensively on South Beach. The people at Mansion know what they're doing. The club is part of The Opium Group who essentially own all of the high class venues on South Beach. In different stories about the Mansion and DJ Shadow incident, it's said many times that the people in the club were not enjoying what he was playing. They simply did their job by kicking him out. The business logic behind it is simple.

Also, despite what anyone in this thread thinks, promoters don't hire DJs for clubs that corporate.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 05:58:35
January 05 2013 05:58 GMT
#27
On January 05 2013 14:17 Game wrote:
I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music.


no no no that's the point

edit: do yourself a favor and go take a listen to Endtroducing...
shikata ga nai
DjDickGrayson
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States81 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 00:49:25
January 05 2013 08:38 GMT
#28
On January 05 2013 14:17 Game wrote:
I have no idea who DJ Shadow is, or his influence on the over-specified genre that is house music. I do however live in Miami, and I have worked extensively on South Beach. The people at Mansion know what they're doing. The club is part of The Opium Group who essentially own all of the high class venues on South Beach. In different stories about the Mansion and DJ Shadow incident, it's said many times that the people in the club were not enjoying what he was playing. They simply did their job by kicking him out. The business logic behind it is simple.

Also, despite what anyone in this thread thinks, promoters don't hire DJs for clubs that corporate.

No, youre wrong. They dont know what they are doing. They should open up hotels and casinos because they do not know how to work with talent.

Its all in the attitude. If you train your staff to listen to everything, the way it should be, then they will feel the sound and the room might have a different energy. but since they all prob listen to the same crap, their attitudes were prob hideous.

it is never ok to let a rich patron change your business. in all things. sure, the customer is always right, but one? if you book an artist, you are in a contract, for the night. because if he doesnt play up to your expectations, that is your bad.

-Edit-
There is a fine line in business that is blurred when; money is lost, someone shamelessly plugs themselves by committing a break in contract. It can be done by a band that plays the wrong music or it can be done by a nightclub that kicks an act off the stage.

A business can do whatever is in the better interest of said establishment? Not quite. In this situation, with DJ Shadow and Mansion Miami, the cultures are similar but the styles vary. DJ Shadow, one of the best DJ's in the world, has an electronica, chill sound to his music. Mansion Miami features mostly popular House Music acts and rave style music.

Where do they meet? Hip Hop. No one does Hip Hop like DJ Shadow does and where in lies the probable reason he was hired. Which proves that there was no reason for him to be fired from his set, the follow-up apology proves this. The actual set is a brilliant work of meshed-up Hip Hop and plethora of assorted sub-genres.

Mansion Miami, maybe only subconsciously, stole or attempted to steal fans from DJ Shadow. You see, by kicking him out, and hiring him, a new group of audience is stimulated. It is new business. For the sole reason that DJ Shadows business becomes their business, even if just for the night. They literally attempted to physically take his fans, and business. I say literally because they were present not because of Mansion Miami's reputation, unless they actually were fans, but were for the most part there because he said he was going to be there. It was a pathetic breach of contract, and a shameless attempt at self promotion: The group that dismantled the atomic bomb that is DJ Shadow.

It is such an insult, I can't explain this enough, for a business group to expect a different take on club music and then simply attempt to get rid of him for delivering. This happens all the time, in all facets of life, in more ways and shapes than you can possibly imagine. It is almost too complicated to claim. A sort of passive aggressive, reverse phycological attempt at sabotage. When will the greed end? When is it ok for a business to portray being different as a "self plug"? Or, have the gull to to label or be a so called expert on the matter.

In the end, this was a just a case of the mansion having a mind of it's own, a monster reacting in the way it was raised.
Disco ● Lounge ● House
GnarlyArbitrage
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
575 Posts
January 05 2013 12:37 GMT
#29
Seems like people are mad because a club did what it thought was best for the club, and what was completely in the right of the club.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
January 05 2013 12:55 GMT
#30
Whether or not it's within the rights of the club isn't really the point here. It's not like DJ Shadow is some unknown entity that can vary wildly between 'hit or miss' in his performances. It's not like he sometimes only plays sets consisting entirely of chart-toppers. You know exactly what you're getting when you book DJ Shadow and that's a performance by one of the most consistent and consistently hard-working Producers/DJs in the industry.

It's a complete disrespect to an artist and his audience, if you book him - knowing full well what he does - and then say that what he's playing isn't what you wanted.

It may have been a genuine mistake and fair enough, these things do happen, but it just seemed to me to be probably caused by some 'VIP' waving money around who didn't happen to be in the mood for Shadow on that particular day.
Qumquat
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel353 Posts
January 05 2013 14:23 GMT
#31
Was it the Noisia track towards the end that made him get kicked out, our was it the entire set?
khanofmongols
Profile Joined January 2011
542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 20:33:30
January 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#32
On January 05 2013 23:23 Qumquat wrote:
Was it the Noisia track towards the end that made him get kicked out, our was it the entire set?


I believe so. I read somewhere that it was a drum and bass track that was considered "too future" and got him kicked. So I'd expect that to be the culprit.

Edit: here it is he posted it on twitter: http://melbournednb.com/tag/dj-shadow-gets-kicked-off-decks-for-being-too-confusing/
DjDickGrayson
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States81 Posts
January 05 2013 20:36 GMT
#33
On January 05 2013 21:55 jtype wrote:
Whether or not it's within the rights of the club isn't really the point here. It's not like DJ Shadow is some unknown entity that can vary wildly between 'hit or miss' in his performances. It's not like he sometimes only plays sets consisting entirely of chart-toppers. You know exactly what you're getting when you book DJ Shadow and that's a performance by one of the most consistent and consistently hard-working Producers/DJs in the industry.

It's a complete disrespect to an artist and his audience, if you book him - knowing full well what he does - and then say that what he's playing isn't what you wanted.

It may have been a genuine mistake and fair enough, these things do happen, but it just seemed to me to be probably caused by some 'VIP' waving money around who didn't happen to be in the mood for Shadow on that particular day.

Right and a club doesn't get a lifeline or a replay flag by right. They should have stuck by DJ Shadow regardless.

They closed down his set not even half way through
Disco ● Lounge ● House
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
January 07 2013 02:47 GMT
#34
They issed a half-assed apology... what a shame.
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