• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:43
CEST 13:43
KST 20:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon107
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double Recent Patches and the Future Stellar Fest 1 Replay Pack Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing [ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach BW General Discussion PLAYzone Challenge - open offline tour in Prague
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
All you football fans (soccer)! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8645 users

My two cents about the Protoss race.

Blogs > Sockso
Post a Reply
Sockso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States57 Posts
October 11 2012 09:59 GMT
#1
In WoL, when taking my 4th in PvZ, I liked throwing down 4 or 5 stargates, to pump out void rays and a few carriers.

I opened with one stargate for a scouting phoenix before 9:00 for the option to get range in time for mutas. Also, I made one void ray for a bit early game map control. I tried and sneak air +1/+1 in there ahead sometimes before base 4. I also opened with dual robo for the mass roach counter to stargate play. At base 4 or 5, excess minerals went into speed prisms to flank, and drop feedback infesters. (also of course to mineral dump into zealot drop harass)

I think the point of the tempest isn't to make a bunch of them and hope they kill a the zerg army of doom. I think their point is to control space for your void rays, to hold off infestors, to make incoming Corruptor pay a price for moving in, and allow for easier feedbacks. I sort of think of them as Protoss creep for the air.

Just like Zerg needs perfect injects for their macro to be a good race. I think Protoss needs perfect micro to work well. Stephano changed the game with how early he maxed out on roaches. I think the same can happen with Protoss micro. Miss an inject, and you're screwed. Miss a feed-back, and you're screwed. A few months or years isn't enough time to get good at anything. Compare a 2nd year piano student to a 10-20 year veteran musician.

Some people complain about Protoss being a gimmicky race. I prefer to think of them as precision micro dependent. Force-fields are gimmicky? When playing as non-protoss, you have to assume perfect force-fields are coming. If not, then you're taking an all-or-nothing risk. It's just another form of cheese. As Protoss, we have to take advantage of every trick we can to stay cost effective. Entomb all but one mineral patch then storm. Storm banked-up larva too for that matter. Be annoying any way you can, and be proud!

Sure, we have our easier to use robo based death ball. It's strong, slow, has timings related to it. But so does mech.

I think we've only just begun to see the promise of good protoss micro from LiquidHero and the like. I think they'll come a day when good (or gimmicky if you prefer to call it) protoss micro is just as essential as a good marine spilit, or a good roach flank.

*****
Sockso
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States57 Posts
October 11 2012 14:10 GMT
#2
I understand I'm not the best player or writer about starcraft. If you took the time to read this, thank you. I really enjoy discussing the game.

I'll keep practicing my playing and my writing. I hope to one day provide some more value to the Team Liquid website and the starcraft community at large.

Thanks again for your time.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
October 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#3
Cool analysis man... Yeah I definitely agree that micro is very important to Protoss. I definitely get the "gimicky" bm still in masters, but it's due to the opponents lack of understanding so it doesn't bother me much. Micro is important to all races, but I think that increased precision rewards the Protoss race a little bit more, which is pretty cool I think and lends more depth to the concept of an RTS with asymmetric races.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro8 Match 4
Leta vs Soulkey
Afreeca ASL 11039
StarCastTV_EN244
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #148 (SHIN Mod Edition)
herO vs KrystianerLIVE!
TBD vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings117
CranKy Ducklings SOOP29
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko323
ProTech123
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 8092
Jaedong 4162
EffOrt 1968
BeSt 788
actioN 766
Killer 698
Soma 555
Horang2 459
ZerO 392
Pusan 289
[ Show more ]
Stork 209
Zeus 189
Rush 171
Barracks 112
JYJ 110
Mong 57
HiyA 48
Sea.KH 39
ToSsGirL 39
Snow 38
Bale 28
Shinee 27
Terrorterran 26
Sharp 26
Sexy 25
sorry 23
JulyZerg 9
hero 9
Noble 9
Sacsri 8
zelot 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5359
Dendi515
XaKoH 330
League of Legends
Reynor48
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_25
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes2446
WinterStarcraft2294
Other Games
gofns63183
singsing1528
olofmeister1252
byalli568
Livibee194
OGKoka 104
ArmadaUGS52
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream310
StarCraft 2
WardiTV220
Other Games
BasetradeTV186
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 129
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV21
League of Legends
• Jankos1767
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
12h 17m
Kung Fu Cup
23h 17m
The PondCast
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Online Event
3 days
FEL
4 days
AI Arena Tournament
4 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.