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A Defense of Comedy - Page 2

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EscPlan9
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Last Edited: 2012-07-13 22:52:57
July 13 2012 22:52 GMT
#21
Also, about Voltaire, I profess my ignorance to the full history behind him. I mainly know him for that one quote. Perhaps I misrepresented him - I just thought it was a good relevant quote to this topic.
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Canada789 Posts
July 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#22
On July 14 2012 06:56 EscPlan9 wrote:
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On July 14 2012 06:26 munchmunch wrote:
Nice post; very well thought out. However, I'm curious about how you apply these ideas to Tosh's joke. From what I've heard, he basically said "Wouldn't it be funny if this women was raped right now." Are we missing some context that makes that funny? Or do his remarks still cross some line?

Also, to elaborate on what Steveling is saying about the Voltaire thing. Free speech implies the right to make a statement. It doesn't imply freedom from criticism (indeed, free speech also implies the freedom to criticise others). It also doesn't imply the right to a platform for making those statements, except in certain limited situations (for example, a government shouldn't provide a platform for a non-government entity to speak on an issue, without providing the opportunity to the whole community). So somebody could strongly criticise Tosh, up to the point of trying to get his show cancelled, without violating his free speech rights.


I didn't find Tosh's joke funny either to be frank. To the best of my knowledge, no one recorded what happened, and there are multiple versions on what actually transpired, for sake of context. Staff members at the Laugh Factory where it occurred say it did not happen like the blogger in the audience represented the case. She has her side of the story as well. Some have even said he was responding to a heckler. Either way, there were people who laughed at the joke, so it's tough to say if the joke was funny or not. There are other popular theories on why comedy makes us laugh that can explain situations like this, such as a release of psychological tension (sorta similar to nervous laughter).

I agree freedom of speech does not imply freedom from criticism. People also have the freedom to criticize Tosh for what he said. What I'm saying is, when they are trying to make a normative statement and persuade others with it, I believe they have failed. As I explained, they are not applying the principles to other jokes in a similar fashion, they are only doing it in jokes they personally find distasteful.

People also can write to the networks, etc, voicing their disapproval of what Tosh said and did. That's perfectly within their rights. I'm just saying their argument to persuade others is faulty.

On July 14 2012 07:52 EscPlan9 wrote:
Also, about Voltaire, I profess my ignorance to the full history behind him. I mainly know him for that one quote. Perhaps I misrepresented him - I just thought it was a good relevant quote to this topic.
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. In regards to the Voltaire quotation, the concept of free speech concerns government limitations on speech. In that sense, comedy is certainly covered by free speech. If you want to argue that you shouldn't be arrested for making rape jokes (or jokes about the King, see Thailand), then free speech is what you want to talk about. But otherwise it doesn't really belong in a discussion of "some things should never be joked about".

Don't get the wrong idea though: I really like your post, and strongly agree with what you are saying, especially after your clarification.
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