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I'll start this off by saying that I've played protoss since release and have enjoyed it (mostly) up until a few months ago.
When I'm playing pvz or pvp on maps like shattered, tal'darim, or metalopolis I really feel like choosing protoss at the start was the wrong decision. I can crush roach play but I can never win vs mutas unless I 2 base allin right when I scout the spire or else I will lose for sure. In PvP I'm totally lost as to what I have to do when I scout certain things so usually I just end up 1 base colossi and losing to blink or phoenixes. I really hate protoss right now and those two matchups are pushing me toward switching to zerg.
I play zerg as my team game race and as my offrace during peepmode games or random 1v1 games so switching and getting back to the diamond level shouldn't be hard, however I know nothing in the area of zvt or zvz. I think that since PvP and PvZ when they go mutas are so annoying I might take the plunge and spend a week learning in customs about all of the matchups that come with zerg.
I think that I have a strong grasp on ZvP (mutaslol) and I think that learning ZvT shouldn't be that bad as I shouldn't have to learn how to stop a 1-1-1 and a no gas bunker rush should be easier to scout for (I know how to stop that from peepmode and whatnot).
I'm really lost in this choice as I feel like the more I play as protoss, the more I have to lose when switching to zerg. I feel like if I switch to zerg, then all of my work from retail to this point will have been a waste.
Then again, when I play zerg I have a great grasp on what the enemy (especially zvp) is doing right now and I feel like I can properly know when to drone and when to make units without missing injects until late game.
I have more fun playing zerg but I feel very guilty when I think about all of the work that I have put into protoss.
It's hard for me to have fun playing such a 1-dimensional race that protoss is. I mean I sit there on 3 bases and macro up until I have a deathball + 30 gateways and then I just push my ball against their ball and see whose ball is superior. It feels maddening.
What should I do? Should I switch to Zerg or keep working at Protoss?
 
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If you're not a professional SC2 player then the game is about having fun. Do whatever you find the most fun. Who cares if you put 1000 hours into protoss already. If you don't like toss but keep playing it then you're wasting your time.
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I can offer you some Protoss advice but not advice on what race you want to play.
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Absolutely play for fun like other people are saying. Keep in mind ZvP isn't always fun either. You have to deal with stupid stuff like pylon block cannon rushes too often T_T. And then you see the Toss FFE of a 15 nexus and does 10gate blink stalker allin and you're like O_O WTF SO MANY GATES. Yes, I've seen 10 gate blink stalker. It's sick cause who needs to macro when you have that many gates, all you do is micro your stalkers for like a minute and who cares if you miss warpins with that many gates.
And you think PvP isn't fun? Try ZvZ ^^. Yes! I have advantage. JK MY I MC MY BANELINGS AND NOW I'M DEAD. And then you make that one extra round of drones and then see a red line of roaches on the minimap and all you can do is sigh. And ZvT...oh...YES I KILLED HIS ARMY FUCK YEAH IM AHEAD LEMME COUNTER. Oh wait...he has A DEPOT WALL (this applies to ZvP too except a gateway wall). And you're like, "oh it's ok he has no bases". Wait...shit...he had the gold for a minute. THATS LIKE 9000 MINERALS WITH MULES. And waves of 3/3 marines then proceed to make you sad. Stopping nothing put marine medivac is actually pretty hard to do as Z compared to P, esp when every expo after their 3rd is a pf and you don't have the gas to waste banelings to take it out and the 2 minutes you dare to try to tech toward hive in are scary as shit.
I mean you say you have a great grasp of Zerg so maybe everything I said doesn't apply to you, but I'm not sure how many games you have played as Zerg. I guess I just needed to get my Z rant out. Do some 1-2 base allins occassionally. Play around with warprism and stargate play (stargate play vs Z and P only). Do stuff like DT expo vs Terran or the fast 3 base play (not into 30 gates, but has some timings where you can just kill the T if there weren't enough bunkers) and the 4gate void ray vs Zerg. I mean of course your ZvP should be pretty decent as you're used to the other side of the matchup but there are still lots of annoying builds to deal with. Gateway allins, stargate allins, robo allins. Fucking probe allins + Show Spoiler +
That said, try T. As someone who mains T now, TvT isn't the nightmare ZvZ is and PvP seems. TvP has some timings that aren't quite allin (2medivac timing, 4 medivac timing, ghost timings are iffy cause 2 base collusi can also make you sad). And TvZ is pretty fun. Just run your Ramboass marines around with some tanks and kill stuff. Sure late game can be kinda hard, esp now, but it's a tradeoff for a pretty fun early and midgame.
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If you think P is rage inducing I fully support you playing Z.
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The grass is always greener on the other side, but let me tell you a little bit about zerg.
First of all, ZvZ is way worse than PvP will ever be. You don't like 1 base play? That's pretty much all ZvZ - either you're both doing a baneling allin, or one of you is trying to expand with banelings and the other is trying to all-in him. It's an annoying micro war, where even having perfect macro doesn't mean a whole lot because one or two well-placed banelings can effectively erase EVERYTHING you have made in the first 6-8 minutes of the game. Sometimes, you get locked into these awful bane-vs-bane wars all the way until the other guy's base runs out of money. That takes about 14 in-game minutes, by the way -- And he has no incentive to GG because its not like other matchups, where if you lose a large portion of your all-in army you run out of steam. baneling wars are so volatile, its worth continuing down to the last mineral, because you only ever really need ~10 lings and ~4 banelings at once to be game-endingly-threatening.
I thought about switching to protoss for quite a while, but I realized I wasn't really into doing 2base allins.
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I used to be in a similar situation as you a month ago. I was totally bored with Protoss for the same reasons, so since I played Zerg in team games, I decided to switch to Zerg, but on a new account so I could maintain my Protoss rank. After playing Zerg for a while, I found that it didn't match my play style as I would have imagined when I played it in team games. As a result I decided that I truly belonged with my Protoss brethren and since then I have been reinspired when I play Protoss and find it a million times more fun than before I switched. My advice would be to get a 10-Day Pass and make a new account, try it out until it expires, and then make a decision. For me, it solidified my decision to stick to Protoss, who knows what it'll do for you?
EDIT: Although I must admit, personally I find ZvZ WAYYYYY more fun than PvP, but maybe that's just me. It just seems soooo much more fast-paced.
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Really simple solution, play zerg for a bit. The grass is always greener on the other side, all you have to do is try it to get rid any delusions you may or may not have. I was on a losing streak as zerg and decided to use toss for a bit since zerg was too hard and protoss was easy mode. Kept losing as protoss, realized the stupidity of changing race for such a thing and kept going with zerg. You may or may not have the same experience, all you have to do is try it.
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On February 20 2012 17:13 dogabutila wrote:
If you think P is rage inducing I fully support you playing Z.
exactly this. try being on the receiving end of turtle toss 3 base deathball a moving towards you. zerg is a fuck ton more hard to play but a lot more fun and rewarding. you will rage a lot though.
edit. them again everyone probably rages a lot
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Go ahead and try on other races, you may find that you are better at them than Protoss.
From my experience skill in races can be highly personal.
Though also know that when you switch from one race to another your rank will probably drop, just because you are adjusting to how different they are (especially if you have no experience) so you will almost certainly do worse with Terran or Zerg if you choose to play either, so don't give up so easily.
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Yea I've thought about switching to zerg too, the main thing for me is definitely learning zvz. I think it goes for any race; that playing the mirror is the most challenging. zvz has been notorious for being really delicate, pvp is finally starting to be figured out, but still involves a lot of 1 base play. Tvt is the most developed but 1 base plays, dealing with drops, and drawn out tank wars are hard to play as well.
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On February 20 2012 17:27 darkscream wrote:
The grass is always greener on the other side, but let me tell you a little bit about zerg.
First of all, ZvZ is way worse than PvP will ever be. You don't like 1 base play? That's pretty much all ZvZ - either you're both doing a baneling allin, or one of you is trying to expand with banelings and the other is trying to all-in him. It's an annoying micro war, where even having perfect macro doesn't mean a whole lot because one or two well-placed banelings can effectively erase EVERYTHING you have made in the first 6-8 minutes of the game. Sometimes, you get locked into these awful bane-vs-bane wars all the way until the other guy's base runs out of money. That takes about 14 in-game minutes, by the way -- And he has no incentive to GG because its not like other matchups, where if you lose a large portion of your all-in army you run out of steam. baneling wars are so volatile, its worth continuing down to the last mineral, because you only ever really need ~10 lings and ~4 banelings at once to be game-endingly-threatening.
I thought about switching to protoss for quite a while, but I realized I wasn't really into doing 2base allins.
I'm sorry but I'd say only 20% of the people I zvz on ladder 1base, and I'm in low/mid masters EU.
A 1base baneling all in is only strong for the first two waves, then it loses unless it's killed you or done significant damage.
The only exception is where there's no ramp, like tal'darim, but toss has that same problem.
But yeah, I'd say zerg is more rage inducing than toss, but switch if you feel like it.
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Grass is not greener on the zerg's side. Zerg has creep.
EDIT: OK, that is more of a stupid post than funny one. For myself, I find ZvZ to my taste. But probably there is nobody else that likes ZvZ so chances are
a) you'll hate ZvZ
b) you'll find it thrilling for the first couple of times but then the frustration will start building up.
c) you'll find it thrilling and get more and more thrilled by the time goes on (honestly, that probably will never happen)
You don't like 1-1-1 in TvP? Try TvZ, where Terran can win by having more than 5 leftover marines when all the ling/baneling of the zerg died or he has ghosts with enough energy to stop your infestors/hive tech.
And you said you find PvZ stupid because of mutas? Try ZvP when your opponent builds phoenixes and a single phoenix kites your entire flock while a warp prism gets into phase mode in your main and a few dts snipe your entire tech and send you back to stone age.
T is no different either. You win an engagement with ~30 marines being left over and bam, they all die because you didn't scan 2 banelings that were burrowed into the stupidest place in the map. Or some big things shooting lasers to your infantry while they are stuck in the middle with force fields. Or try losing a mirror just because you unsieged first.
After getting induced with enough amount of rage, I switched back to BW.
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