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OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
October 11 2009 00:03 GMT
#21
i came into this blog thinking the OP wouldn't put JD bisu and flash ._.
"Wanna join my [combo] clan?" "We play turret d competitively"
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 11 2009 00:17 GMT
#22
On October 11 2009 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
FlaSh is not a macro bot, in fact he debuted as a player known for his micro. His army control and push management is what set him apart from other "macro players" who couldn't push to save their lives.


This is actually untrue. When Flash first appeared he was considered to be a macro bot, just look at old live reports or youtube videos too see what people thought of him - either a mindless macro bot or a cheeser.

This blog sux yo -.-
My. Copy. Is. Here.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 11 2009 00:19 GMT
#23
On October 11 2009 09:17 Piy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
FlaSh is not a macro bot, in fact he debuted as a player known for his micro. His army control and push management is what set him apart from other "macro players" who couldn't push to save their lives.


This is actually untrue. When Flash first appeared he was considered to be a macro bot, just look at old live reports or youtube videos too see what people thought of him - either a mindless macro bot or a cheeser.

This blog sux yo -.-


thats not true at all lol
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 11 2009 00:22 GMT
#24
On October 11 2009 09:17 Piy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 08:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
FlaSh is not a macro bot, in fact he debuted as a player known for his micro. His army control and push management is what set him apart from other "macro players" who couldn't push to save their lives.


This is actually untrue. When Flash first appeared he was considered to be a macro bot, just look at old live reports or youtube videos too see what people thought of him - either a mindless macro bot or a cheeser.

This blog sux yo -.-


Not even close.
RIP Aaliyah
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 11 2009 00:35 GMT
#25
I heard commentators say a couple of times about how Flash would have lapses in unit control during late game TvZ.
theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
October 11 2009 00:42 GMT
#26
Better first post than mine I guess...
정명훈 화이팅!~
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
October 11 2009 00:51 GMT
#27
Bisu's awesome early game; cheeses like a... pro.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 11 2009 00:52 GMT
#28
On October 11 2009 07:13 Hot_Bid wrote:
You can't boil players down so simplistically, plus none of your assertions are true. All three players are strong no matter what game length it is.



Well said.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
October 11 2009 00:53 GMT
#29
If choosing who were the best depending on golds alone, there wouldn't be any need for ELO rankings, KeSPA rankings and Power Ranks.
POGGERS
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
October 11 2009 01:26 GMT
#30
1. (P)GuemChi
2. (P)GosI[Flying]
3. (P)PerfectMan
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
October 11 2009 02:18 GMT
#31
Imo its more like this:

Jaedong usually wins before late game.
Bisu is protoss so he FE's most of the time, therefore being passive early game.
Flash is terran, so obviously his late game is strong due to 3/3 mech being the rapemachine that it is.

They are all amazing players.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
October 11 2009 02:55 GMT
#32
On October 11 2009 10:26 iamho wrote:
1. (P)GuemChi
2. (P)GosI[Flying]
3. (P)PerfectMan

More like:

(Z)Hyuk
(P)GosI[Flying]
(P)PerfectMan
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 11 2009 03:34 GMT
#33
Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash are all really good. The only real difference between them are the races they play and their title wins. Jaedong doesn't really have any weaknesses, except maybe for having little creative play (which he doesn't need because of his sick mechanics). Bisu sometimes plays sloppily with noob mistakes, but other than that, on any typical day his play is perfect. Flash is a turtling beast and is mostly likely only going to lose to early game aggression because nobody is going to beat him in the late game.
Brood War loyalist
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-11 03:49:19
October 11 2009 03:46 GMT
#34
On October 11 2009 08:55 Sigh wrote:
Jaedong only loses to some kind of weird build that he's never seen before.

People rarely try truly weird builds on Bisu or Flash except that period of like a week where Bisu lost 4 games in a row.
Jaedong
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-11 12:33:15
October 11 2009 12:31 GMT
#35
Flash can turtle.

I don't like his style though, too safe that it looks boring already. Maybe if he adapted a Fantasy style TvP then things would get interesting, considering how scary his macro is.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
October 12 2009 17:47 GMT
#36
On October 11 2009 09:35 koreasilver wrote:
I heard commentators say a couple of times about how Flash would have lapses in unit control during late game TvZ.

Personally i consider his late game perfect as far as humans are concerned =p
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 12 2009 18:02 GMT
#37
On October 13 2009 02:47 JFKWT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 09:35 koreasilver wrote:
I heard commentators say a couple of times about how Flash would have lapses in unit control during late game TvZ.

Personally i consider his late game perfect as far as humans are concerned =p

Having lapses in unit control in late game TvZ is kinda inevitable for both sides due to the sheer power and fragility of the units involved with the exception of ultralisks, and I sometimes thinkthe commentators probably mentioned Flash's late game micro as his weakness because his macro obviously wasn't weak at all, as even if he lost units due to a flash of swarmed lurkerlings or something, his barracks were always churning out units. Of course his bio micro might not be as good as players like Casy or Hwasin, but those players are reknowned for their TvZ micro, so it's not really a fair comparison.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
October 16 2009 19:57 GMT
#38
On October 11 2009 08:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2009 08:55 Sigh wrote:
Jaedong only loses to some kind of weird build that he's never seen before.


He has lost plenty of straight up games. He has also lost many times because he made awful decisions and most of the other S-Class gamers are far smarter than he is.

I don't think you can back that up. Jaedong's decision making is normally excellent, save a few times when he is faced with something he's never seen before. He wouldn't be the #1 player otherwise.
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