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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 17 2013 03:30 GMT
#11
/in
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 25 2013 02:09 GMT
#23
you know what would encourage more signups
if you gave everyone in the game a gun
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 25 2013 02:14 GMT
#25
just wait until caller's game
then you will know true chaos
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 25 2013 03:46 GMT
#29
callerball
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#74
all of it
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 09 2013 22:12 GMT
#82
On May 10 2013 06:43 ObviousOne wrote:
I drew role cop FYI


nope i did

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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 11 2013 17:49 GMT
#99
On May 11 2013 08:52 ObviousOne wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/09/world/asia/australia-missing-cruise-passengers/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


holy shit ace

thats taking mafia to a whole other level
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 12 2013 23:30 GMT
#262
On May 13 2013 05:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?


It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them.

I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit.

For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed.

If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today).


That is actually true that miller is an auto town claim in C9++ or other open set ups but it is still a good town play to claim straight away in my opinion and others.

I am not an excellent policy lynch though, I am a bad lynch period. If you want to kill me use a vig shot. Otherwise wait a while and see. Lynching me straight up is just silly.

And I would never claim anything day one as scum, let alone somethign as batshit crazy to claim as miller in a closed setup. I might crumb something. My one and only fake claim was basically forced out of me AFTER I crumbed it and AFTER everyone mass claimed and were pressuring me to follow suit.

like just apply some thought to claiming miller this early as scum in a game which most likely contains vigilantes there is no follow up or promotion of a mafia agenda by doing this. it is plain suicide.

this is really stupid. I am always extremely suspicious of people who say this, it doesn't make any sense.
On May 13 2013 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I say at the start of the day.

Everyone ##Vote: SOMEONE
then the person with the majority in any way gets to fight for their life.

Sounds like a great idea right?
YEAH

I like this idea though.

way better than someone doing something stupid and then saying "it was something stupid on purpose to judge reactions trolol"
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 12 2013 23:31 GMT
#263
anyway sup doods
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 12 2013 23:39 GMT
#267
On May 13 2013 08:14 ObviousOne wrote:
VE what do you make of me being strongly in favor of lynching DP if he doesn't die tonight? Same question at you BH.


i will answer your question

i happen to agree with dp on the subejct of millers shoudl claiming therefore i think you are being stupid

your question has been asnwered
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 12 2013 23:41 GMT
#268
On May 13 2013 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:
get dunked

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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:07 GMT
#455
On May 13 2013 14:30 ObviousOne wrote:

@SNB Hi, your town credit via gif just expired, let's hear you give the old scum hunting a whirl. Who do you want to vote today, and why, lay it out for me along with another suspect. So far your contributions add up to what looks like a 180 on DP (you call his statement that he is a bad policy lynch suspicious but then tell me that lynching him D1 if he doesn't die N0 is stupid) in a matter of a handful of posts and your stance on him was never clear. The conversation immediately got buried by gifs, so it's time for you to take a stance on something. Go.


regarding the "flipflop" - lolno. I can simultaneously believe that him saying "i'm a bad lynch" is stupid and that you saying "we should lynch him if he doesn't die n0 because of his miller claim" is stupid. those are both stupid things to say.

like, anyone who thinks they have a coherent theory of the scum team at this point is lying either to you or to themselves. we have no flipped scum to build association cases on, we dont even have any really good cases on individual players to build associations on.

this is still the stage of the game where we should be looking at everyone who does something scummy or suspicious, even if those scummy things are conflicting. anyway i thought i made my stance on him pretty clear when i said i agreed with his reasoning for claiming miller. his claim was the main reason people wanted to lynch him afaik, so if i'm saying i think that he was right and they were wrong, i probably dont want to lynch him.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:11 GMT
#456
On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.

this may be the single worst post in the thread
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:16 GMT
#458
On May 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also someone stole my fucking vote .

Joke's on them though, I never actually vote for scum.


how did this go by without any comment

not having played in many games with vote stealers before I don't know what the analysis is, but why would someone steal oats's vote? instead of someone who is actually good at finding scum?

Does fakeclaiming having your vote stolen give an excuse to insta-hammer someone? it seems like a decent scum tactic.

I really don't like the way this claim went down.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:18 GMT
#461
On May 13 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:38 Vivax wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?

And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.


What do you guys think of this post as answer?

I have no clue what it means

You are saying that DP fakeclaimed right?
And rayn is saying that Wall-street investor could be scum.Right. That makes no sense because I assume he thinks that DP's role, Self aware miller could be a scum role. Which it cant cause DUHHHH.
So rayn scum slipped kinda. But its not really scummy the way he phrased that.

TLDR: Rayn scumslipped.


the way this is treated is nonsensical from a town point of view. if you think you found a scumslip you should go for the throat. like, it doesn't matter that this makes no sense, i've thought things were scumslips before that turned out not to be. but the way it's put across doesn't make any sense from a town point of view. either he's just saying things for the sake of saying them or he's throwing out a "scumslip" to see who bites. do not want.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:19 GMT
#462
On May 13 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lets get a wagon rolling
##Vote: WaveofShadow


i mean then there's this
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:20 GMT
#463
On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.


and we return to the single worst post in the thread.



so @sloosh's question from above i'll look at the other dudes in a minute but my thoughts on oatsmaster are no gusta.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:33 GMT
#470
thoughts on waveofshadow:

this post is needlessly aggro, doesn't really make sense given his position.
On May 14 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 23:40 Promethelax wrote:
also WoS, I know this might come as a shock but Ace gets away with acting like an asshole by also being 1. hilarious and 2. really damn good at the game. You need to knock it off with your petulance and play the game. If you want to be considered good you have to earn it.

I'm bored with your antics. Scum or town knock it off now.

I'm bored with your lessons and you telling me how to play. I haven't had the time to do much game analysis yet but I will. Expect it later. I've said these things before and I'll say them again: I never lie, and I don't respond to threats. If you and everyone else would rather lynch me first then go ahead by all means.


this is a good argument by prome

On May 13 2013 17:09 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.


If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.


however i'm not sure that i like bh's reason for voting wos

On May 13 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut

OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'


WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.

##vote WoS




i cant tell whether the bolded part is serious or bh ego-ing as usual. but on the other hand, when people try and buddy bh if he's egoing he usually is all like 'yesssss buddy me you fools'

but i dont really like that bh is all like 'my analysis brings all the boys to the yard' but then doesn't really analisysify other than just being like "yeah prome i vote for that thing"

roundabout way of saying i'm not convinced by bh's reason for voting.

On May 14 2013 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
No he's scum for not giving a shit about helping town. He's scum for jokingly claiming scum when called out by a player who has the clout to get him lynched.

The "stank" I'm referring to is a confidence, an inner strength in his posting...a singular point in his favor that is overshadowed by his unwillingness to help town by playing in a transparent and open way.

Plus he claimed scum - it doesn't get much easier than that Oats.


on the other hand i kinda like this better. although maybe i'm being influenced by the fact that oatsmaster didnt like this post. but the argument "he didn't respond to kita except jokingly makes it seem like he knew he could kill kita and not have to worry about his suspicions" and "hes blatantly not trying to help town" are reasons i find way more compelling than "he buddied me in this one post".

overall, looking at his filter it looks pretty bad, but i'm not persuaded much by the reasons people gave for voting him except for VE, and i think oatsmaster's vote was the worst.

like he's not playing like a townie but plenty of townies dont do that. the kita thing is the strongest argument against him imo. i would call him suspicious but im not yet near the voting for him threshold and i think oatsmaster looks worse.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:34 GMT
#472
On May 14 2013 01:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote:
On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.

Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum?


The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita


you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see.

So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis?

WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?)

prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons.


recall that I played in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925 so I dont see how its hilarious, I know about big games. You will just never see me as a guy going back looking through the thread, I read it as the thread develops and make my opinions from that and take care not to second guess myself.

As I said I am baffled by the DP kill, I have nothing to comment on that besides my theory that mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his claim, but no leads on to who that could make mafia


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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
May 13 2013 16:36 GMT
#473
okay back to work laters yo
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