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rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 17:46:32
July 15 2011 16:08 GMT
#1
So yesterday on Huk's stream it was revealed that Raptor who is currently rank 16 GM on the Korean ladder is in fact fOrGG:
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This could be an elaborate hoax by Huk and the owner of the raptor account, but there are some evidence that this is likely fOrGG. fOrGG announced his retirement on December 28th, 2010. The raptor account was initially placed into gold on January 8th, 2011 according to sc2ranks.com:
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It has also previously been mentioned in another stream chat that Raptor is a former SC1 progamer. I did not save a copy of that stream chat, but it was on either San's stream or ZeNEXTandongho (I don't really remember) and by the streamer himself or someone helping him set up who definitely seemed certain.

Obviously this does not clear up whether he plans to take up sc2 progaming or whether it is just a hobby. However this season he had over 1200 games played which is higher than the vast majority of the Korean GM league (these figures may be skewed slightly as progamers in team houses likely do a larger amount of customs). This suggests he is at least taking it seriously.

I'm not sure whether fOrGG really understood that Huk was streaming and therefore was a bit hestitant about making this topic, but either way Huk had 5000+ viewers and some discussion about it in the Huk streamchat has now been linked on reddit so I figured it's already out there and we may as well have a discussion thread here on TL. Either way I don't see how it could really hurt fOrGG.

The relevant game can be found in the VOD:
http://www.justin.tv/liquidhuk/b/290221945
It is at the end of part 2 and goes on in part 3 (starts at about 1:57:20 in part 2).


EDIT: Apparently many sc2 players do not know forgg. He was a very strong bw player playing on kt with flash for the last part of his career, but originally on oz. In 2008 he won the Arena MSL beating Jaedong 3-0 and Flash 3-1. Beating Jaedong 3-0 in a bo5 in 2008 was a ridiculous feat.

Later on he fell into somewhat of a slump, but remained a regular in proleague (unlike b-teamers like MC). However he was to some extent overshadowed by flash and never really recovered his 2008 form. At the end of 2010 he announced his retirement.

He is likely the strongest bw player to switch over if he will compete professionally. Of course Nada, Boxer and July are more accomplished, but in modern BW forgg was much better than such players.

Also he was famous for his timing attacks (which caused the nicknames you see people call him in this thread).


Some people seem to downplay forgg's recent skill a bit so some comparison to current sc2 players is needed. To be fielded regularly in the proleague (BW teamleague) you had to be quite good.

The following is the win-loss (ratio) statistics for some of the current sc2 stars and forgg.

In the 2009-2010 proleague:
MC (Iron): 0-2 (0%)
Sangho: 3-7 (30%)
MVP: 5-12 (29.4%)
forgg: 10-10 (50%)
Nestea (zergbong): 0-0 (not fielded)
Puma: 3-9 (25%)

In the 2008-2009 proleague:
MC (Iron): 1-2 (33.3%)
Sangho: 23-15 (60.5%)
MVP: 5-15 (25%)
Nestea (zergbong): 0-1 (0%)
forgg: 14-10 (58.3%)
Puma: 1-6 (14.3%)

Individual league stats are not really reliable as when you get far you play better players and total stats are not better as "bad" players compete in the minor leagues which are not as good.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 15 2011 16:10 GMT
#2
OH SHIT FORGG REALLY? How'd he know?
Was he just playing for fun or is this serious?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 16:13:28
July 15 2011 16:11 GMT
#3
Forgg come back to KT! We need a decent #2 terran. And no Barracks doesn't count.

If you do decide to stick with SC2 that's cool too. Teach these kids what a timing attack really is.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 16:12:06
July 15 2011 16:11 GMT
#4
On July 16 2011 01:10 Torte de Lini wrote:
OH SHIT FORGG REALLY? How'd he know?
Was he just playing for fun or is this serious?

The game in question was on ladder and seemed pretty serious. The outcome was:
+ Show Spoiler +
forgg won quite one-sidedly


EDIT: and I have no idea who told Huk.
FatBlackZombieMama
Profile Joined November 2010
France118 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#5
The Timing Attack Terran strikes back! Very nice piece of news .
EPIIIIC!
FreezerJumps
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada653 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#6
I wouldn't call it surprising that he would play SC2, nor that he would be very good. The real question is why he hasn't joined a team, or whether he intends to.
pingy[wen]
Profile Joined June 2010
United States157 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#7
i'm sure a lot of sc1 pros/former pros play sc2 casually on the ladder. wont freak out till he plays competitively.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#8
Nice, guess as the "timing attacker" he might really like this game, eh?
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 15 2011 16:12 GMT
#9
Is this REAL ? I mean 100% real?
o choro é livre
asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 16:24:20
July 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#10
O_O

Wow.

If fOrGG transitions, I think he will be arguably the best (skill-wise) ex-broodwar player in SC2. To give some background to those not familiar in the BW scene, fOrGG won an MSL against Jaedong 3-0, considered to be the best zerg brood-war player bar-non (though on some pretty bullshit maps). Otherwise, he played solidly in proleague on Hwaseung Oz but when he transitioned to KT, his play severely declined until he recently retired.
n.Die_Jaedong <3
birdkicker
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States752 Posts
July 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#11
Interesting news!
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
July 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#12
Holy Fuck
gn0m
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden302 Posts
July 15 2011 16:13 GMT
#13
If that is really him and he decides to play the game seriously, I think he will do pretty damn well.
-_-
Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
July 15 2011 16:14 GMT
#14
On July 16 2011 01:12 pingy[wen] wrote:
i'm sure a lot of sc1 pros/former pros play sc2 casually on the ladder. wont freak out till he plays competitively.


I wouldn't be surprised either, but we're talking about a player in the top 20 GM in Korea with over a thousand games played. Pretty difficult to say this person is playing casually.
This space for rent.
dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
July 15 2011 16:15 GMT
#15
Haven't actually heard of this guy but I'm all for BW players switching to SC2
...
Darthozzan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden136 Posts
July 15 2011 16:15 GMT
#16
Saw the game, pretty badass play, would be really cool to see forgg play sc2 competitively =D
http://complexitygaming.com ° @Darthozzan on twitter
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
July 15 2011 16:15 GMT
#17
On July 16 2011 01:12 FatBlackZombieMama wrote:
The Timing Attack Terran strikes back! Very nice piece of news .

That's right. Timing attack terran + sc2 = scary
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
July 15 2011 16:15 GMT
#18
Good news. I hope Yellow jumps into SC2, too.
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
July 15 2011 16:16 GMT
#19
That would be amazing! He would be my favorite player =)))
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
July 15 2011 16:16 GMT
#20
It seems a little weird that he'd respond to the ID "fOrGG" since he hadn't used it in around four years. Unless he's aware of how the foreign community referred to him, of course.
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