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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
June 17 2012 22:01 GMT
#241
It is a throw in the sense that M5 wildly misplayed that. If you don't think they misplayed it and threw the game, then you have to say that there is no way for Anivia/Soraka to ever have their base turrets pushed down. I think M5 should have just manned up and dove way before the respawn timers got to the 60 second mark.

Maybe people will start taking Anivia/Soraka every game and play for super late 60 minute games.
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 22:10:17
June 17 2012 22:10 GMT
#242
Shan Huang ‏@ChaoxLoL

All the hype about CLG.EU comeback, when M5 just failed really hard. Need more intelligent fans; that game was sad to watch.

For all those saying what an amazing game it was.
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
June 17 2012 22:13 GMT
#243
People like something I don't like, they must be stupid! Great attitude to have.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
June 17 2012 22:26 GMT
#244
Just because one team did something wrong doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Often it's because the other team forced them into that mistake, which is why it's a great game.

I guess we're all responsible of doing it every now and then (looking down on games because of what perspective you're looking at), but Chaox's tweet was really in poor taste. As much I like TSM, it doesn't make sense to use your public pulpit in such fashion (i.e. "need more intelligent fans" is very offensive).
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 22:30:08
June 17 2012 22:29 GMT
#245
On June 18 2012 06:17 MyTHicaL wrote:
LOL. Biggest throw I've seen in a while .
M5 should've closed the game out (obviously) to avoid this exact possibility. Also AlexIch started to do random troll moves, face checking and not using his zhonya's >_<;:
GG though.

Can't use zhonya when you're stunned or silenced. He and vlad were getting 100-0'd without CC ever letting up - might have something to do with the fact that CLG had 5 hard CCs (counting silence since it shuts down zhonya) - many of them AoE, ALL of them on short CDs, plus anivia wall, and M5 had only Lee's ultimate for CC. If they dove 20 minutes earlier 5v5 maybe they could have won a fight but against that much CC and with none to show for themselves they were relying entirely on blowing CLG up before getting CC'd.

M5 just didn't have the composition to go up against that much CC in the late game. Kudos to CLG EU for hanging on by a thread for that long - if anyone at all on CLG had gotten poked down too low at the wrong time during the siege, it was all over.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 17 2012 22:51 GMT
#246
On June 18 2012 07:26 jacosajh wrote:
Just because one team did something wrong doesn't mean it isn't a great game. Often it's because the other team forced them into that mistake, which is why it's a great game.

I guess we're all responsible of doing it every now and then (looking down on games because of what perspective you're looking at), but Chaox's tweet was really in poor taste. As much I like TSM, it doesn't make sense to use your public pulpit in such fashion (i.e. "need more intelligent fans" is very offensive).


No, it was a bad game because most of the game (and keep in mind it was over 60 minutes) was two teams standing off at a turret killing minion waves. If you find that interesting...yeah
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 23:11:08
June 17 2012 23:09 GMT
#247
It was a good game to me because:

-A team I highly dislike, but still have much respect for in terms of skills, like M5 lost a massive lead to
-A team I think is very over rated like CLG.eu

So yes, while you can choose to focus on the perspective that M5 threw the game; I focus on the perspective that CLG.eu forced their hand in little ways that amounted to a clutch victory.

People will watch hour-long games of baseball, chess, etc. (all of which I could also argue are pretty damn boring) and find it enjoyable. If you don't agree with that, fine. If you find it logical to question people's intelligence based on what they like or dislike...yeah.
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
June 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#248
On June 18 2012 07:10 Goshawk. wrote:
Shan Huang ‏@ChaoxLoL

All the hype about CLG.EU comeback, when M5 just failed really hard. Need more intelligent fans; that game was sad to watch.

For all those saying what an amazing game it was.


Chaox is probably just buttfrustrated that they couldn't even make it out of the groupstages the last time they played m5.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
June 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#249
On June 18 2012 09:11 Thermia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:10 Goshawk. wrote:
Shan Huang ‏@ChaoxLoL

All the hype about CLG.EU comeback, when M5 just failed really hard. Need more intelligent fans; that game was sad to watch.

For all those saying what an amazing game it was.


Chaox is probably just buttfrustrated that they couldn't even make it out of the groupstages the last time they played m5.


On the contrary, TSM has been on top of the NA scene lately. I think if it's out of frustration, it has more to do with how the GESL tournament is going.

But yeah, there is probably a slight bit of resentment towards m5
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 18 2012 01:17 GMT
#250
an issue that I had with the game was Genja's lack of lifesteal. I felt his GA was not utilized properly, as even when he came back to life there was no way he could survive with only 750 health and nothing else. Basically as soon as he took any damage during the teamfight there was no way he could gain that life back
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
June 18 2012 01:47 GMT
#251
On June 18 2012 09:48 jacosajh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:11 Thermia wrote:
On June 18 2012 07:10 Goshawk. wrote:
Shan Huang ‏@ChaoxLoL

All the hype about CLG.EU comeback, when M5 just failed really hard. Need more intelligent fans; that game was sad to watch.

For all those saying what an amazing game it was.


Chaox is probably just buttfrustrated that they couldn't even make it out of the groupstages the last time they played m5.


On the contrary, TSM has been on top of the NA scene lately. I think if it's out of frustration, it has more to do with how the GESL tournament is going.

But yeah, there is probably a slight bit of resentment towards m5

I thought the resentment, if any, was towards CLG. Rather than saying CLG made a great comeback, he focused on M5's bad play.

Not agreeing or disagreeing btw, since I haven't seen the match anyway.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 04:51:52
June 18 2012 03:49 GMT
#252
Did anyone else notice Vladimir selling his Abyssal Scepter at 56:30 for a Needlessly Large Rod? What the hell was he thinking? How is that a remotely good decision? Maybe if he could afford to one-shot the 2nd Deathcap it would be ok (I still don't think so), but selling a full item for just a NLR, giving him 10 extra AP whilst losing 57 MR (plus the aura)?

That's pants-on-head stupid, and he was rightfully chunked by Froggen in the final fight for his idiocy.

There were some other bad item choices by M5 (Sorcs and Tabi on Karthus/Vlad when they're both being mucked by CC, FoN over QSS on Karthus), but this one is just... so... stupid...

Darien (Vladimir)'s Item Path:
+ Show Spoiler +
Boots of Speed
Will of the Ancients
Ninja Tabi
Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Amplifying Tome
Abyssal Scepter
Amplifying Tome
Rabadon's Deathcap
Thornmail - I have no idea why he would get this over Hourglass.
Thornmail - (about 7 minutes after buying it) Apparently he didn't either.
Will of the Ancients - Considering Karthus didn't have one, nobody on his team but Lee had any sustain and everyone did lots of spell damage, this is perhaps an even worse decision than selling the Abyssal later on - plus it was done at a point in time where M5 was still ahead
Zhonya's Hourglass - finally at 52 minutes he gets this core item
Void Staff - I don't think it's worth selling Will of the Ancients for this. CLG was all under 110 MR. Damage is nice but WotA brings so much to the team. Sell the Rylai's if you really need MPen, the slow is worthless late game.
--- this is where the bottom lane teamfight happens ---
Abyssal Scepter - WHAT IN GOD'S NAME?
Needless Large Rod -WHY?
--- this is where Vladimir gets 2-combo'ed by Anivia because he has no spellvamp to heal back and only has 50 MR ---


I am the Town Medic.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
June 18 2012 05:47 GMT
#253
On June 18 2012 06:50 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:45 fcgog wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:37 askTeivospy wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:19 Goshawk. wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:17 MyTHicaL wrote:
LOL. Biggest throw I've seen in a while .
M5 should've closed the game out (obviously) to avoid this exact possibility. Also AlexIch started to do random troll moves, face checking and not using his zhonya's >_<;:
GG though.


Yes that facecheck at blue when CLG were probably ahead was one of the throws.........

So many people misinterpreting this game like it was some amazing display of skill.


huge gold advantage early-mid, all the barons, map control, huge tankiness, denied anivia from blue a ton and M5 still lost because they couldn't win before late game

if you still want to argue that they didn't throw, well I think you're just bias. They were stupid by giving froggen anivia in the first place
O_O

tell me how they could push down the tower even with the 20k advantage

Actually Corki could just have went and hit top/bottom tower once between waves, while everyone was still sitting mid. CLG had no wards, nobody would have noticed and they couldn't have left mid tower either. Tank tower for 1 attack (with triforce proc), pull back. Considering they were trying to take that mid tower down for like 20 minutes, it would have been enough time to poke a tower down
.


Actually wickd and snoopeh were mirroring corki that entire time, defending the side he went to nonstop. it was just a good defense and a good show you can let ppl watch if they are 20k behind that its never over untill the nexus falls
KCCO!
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 07:45:18
June 18 2012 07:40 GMT
#254
On June 16 2012 21:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
Im here to watch froggen annihilate the BYOC qualification and then take the tourney

Fucking genius olol
Also i've been standing behind froggen for most of his games, so amazing
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
June 18 2012 08:09 GMT
#255
I wish I was there TBH Met Wickd once at a tourney, if he wouldnt be playing lateron that day we'd still be chatting about toplane right now.

CLG.eu hwaiting!
KCCO!
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
June 18 2012 08:45 GMT
#256
Anyone watching right now? Curse.EU has a 3k gold lead over M5 at 15 min. Only game 1 right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacklol?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=dreamhack.tv
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
June 18 2012 08:49 GMT
#257
Karth gonna be so strong though :O

GOGO M5! THis is a hyped match, really curious what happens
Moderator
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
June 18 2012 08:49 GMT
#258
Omg that darien move on the gank.. sick
Moderator
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
June 18 2012 08:50 GMT
#259
That darien duke, even fooled Alex with it
KCCO!
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
June 18 2012 08:57 GMT
#260
Heres the advantage you want....
aaaaaaaaaand its gone!
KCCO!
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