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ESL Open Week #5: Zest, Neeb, Denver win

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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 13:42:15
February 10 2020 13:36 GMT
#10
On February 10 2020 22:15 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Interesting this is allowed. In all previous qualifiers the rulebooks actually stipulated that you had to pick a race and play it for the remainder for the qualifiers/tournament if I recall it correctly. She probably saw ESL had no rule (I assume?) and thought it'd be worth trying. Interesting either way.


Random is a race tho, usually you just can't change your race before a match.
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-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 14:07:54
February 10 2020 14:07 GMT
#11
On February 10 2020 22:36 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 22:15 -Kyo- wrote:
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Interesting this is allowed. In all previous qualifiers the rulebooks actually stipulated that you had to pick a race and play it for the remainder for the qualifiers/tournament if I recall it correctly. She probably saw ESL had no rule (I assume?) and thought it'd be worth trying. Interesting either way.


Random is a race tho, usually you just can't change your race before a match.


The WCS handbook stipulated that you had to play one race for the duration of a qualifier/circuit. I do not think random was allowed. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
edit: that might mean it may have been allowed at the start of a tournament or something, just that if you picked it you'd have to thereafter only play random. But i can't really remember the specifics. I just remember it was locked for whatever.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 10 2020 15:55 GMT
#12
On February 10 2020 23:07 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 22:36 Nakajin wrote:
On February 10 2020 22:15 -Kyo- wrote:
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Interesting this is allowed. In all previous qualifiers the rulebooks actually stipulated that you had to pick a race and play it for the remainder for the qualifiers/tournament if I recall it correctly. She probably saw ESL had no rule (I assume?) and thought it'd be worth trying. Interesting either way.


Random is a race tho, usually you just can't change your race before a match.


The WCS handbook stipulated that you had to play one race for the duration of a qualifier/circuit. I do not think random was allowed. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
edit: that might mean it may have been allowed at the start of a tournament or something, just that if you picked it you'd have to thereafter only play random. But i can't really remember the specifics. I just remember it was locked for whatever.

I'm pretty sure random was fine as long as you stuck to that choice, random is considered its own race. Its just been really rare for pros to play random. See Balloon in 2014 WCS season 3 america
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
February 10 2020 17:49 GMT
#13
Bly doing Bly things. The man is a machine.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Haku
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Germany550 Posts
February 10 2020 19:28 GMT
#14
Bomber vs HerO fighting for a place in the finals made me incredibly happy! So nostalgic!
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 10 2020 19:37 GMT
#15
lol, Neeb wins in EU, Denver wins in NA. Hopefully they meet in KR final next week to duke it out.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4507 Posts
February 11 2020 05:42 GMT
#16
Congrats on the win neeb!
hi. big fan.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6951 Posts
February 11 2020 05:44 GMT
#17
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Thanks. Was just wondering if this is a typo kinda thing.

So Scarlett playing random, does that mean something? Is she tired of Zerg? Tired of SC2 in general? Or just wanted to craze it up a bit? Losing to Eggz hast to be considered a huge upset IMO
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
February 11 2020 06:12 GMT
#18
Been a fan of Denver for some time, and he's getting real good
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
February 11 2020 07:03 GMT
#19
On February 10 2020 23:07 -Kyo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 22:36 Nakajin wrote:
On February 10 2020 22:15 -Kyo- wrote:
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Interesting this is allowed. In all previous qualifiers the rulebooks actually stipulated that you had to pick a race and play it for the remainder for the qualifiers/tournament if I recall it correctly. She probably saw ESL had no rule (I assume?) and thought it'd be worth trying. Interesting either way.


Random is a race tho, usually you just can't change your race before a match.


The WCS handbook stipulated that you had to play one race for the duration of a qualifier/circuit. I do not think random was allowed. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
edit: that might mean it may have been allowed at the start of a tournament or something, just that if you picked it you'd have to thereafter only play random. But i can't really remember the specifics. I just remember it was locked for whatever.


Actually random is considered as a race, hence its fine to play with rnd, what usually is not allowed is to manually switch races within a match.
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
February 11 2020 09:40 GMT
#20
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...
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hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 09:59:22
February 11 2020 09:56 GMT
#21
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


maybe some of them still don't know

also players like Maru probably just do not care, because they are pretty sure they will qualify via the GSL tournaments

oh and sometimes other events are played at the same time (which have higher prize pools)

(and some players are now doing their military service)
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
February 11 2020 10:30 GMT
#22
Neeb is a funny one. Disappears for a while, comes back and randomly wins a european online cup. Now, he'll probably disappear until cup #8 or something
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6951 Posts
February 11 2020 11:41 GMT
#23
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


The whole "no real announcements of Korean Circuit" probably plays a huge role in this :/
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12897 Posts
February 11 2020 12:06 GMT
#24
On February 11 2020 19:30 sudete wrote:
Neeb is a funny one. Disappears for a while, comes back and randomly wins a european online cup. Now, he'll probably disappear until cup #8 or something

He played a lot of games on the EU ladder though (around 800 according to sc2unmasked), and you were able to see him at very high MMR (6800-6900) on HeroMarine streams for example, these past few weeks.
I had the chance to get destroyed by Clem this #5 EU cup, too bad he didn't go all the way again. Only 1 cup out of 5 is almost worrying since he is the chosen one of the prophecy :o
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 11 2020 15:24 GMT
#25
On February 11 2020 20:41 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


The whole "no real announcements of Korean Circuit" probably plays a huge role in this :/


Olimoleague seems to have more Koreans tho
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 11 2020 18:57 GMT
#26
On February 11 2020 18:56 hjpalpha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


maybe some of them still don't know

also players like Maru probably just do not care, because they are pretty sure they will qualify via the GSL tournaments

oh and sometimes other events are played at the same time (which have higher prize pools)

(and some players are now doing their military service)


What other events would that be?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 00:31:21
February 11 2020 19:23 GMT
#27
On February 11 2020 14:44 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2020 20:16 hjpalpha wrote:
On February 10 2020 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did Scarlett play random? (color code yellow?)

Congratz to Neeb, Zest and Denver!


yes we use yellow as the color code for rnd


Thanks. Was just wondering if this is a typo kinda thing.

So Scarlett playing random, does that mean something? Is she tired of Zerg? Tired of SC2 in general? Or just wanted to craze it up a bit? Losing to Eggz hast to be considered a huge upset IMO


Scarlett has been known to play random online once in a while in smaller tournaments and she also sometime play straight up protoss.
The whole "can you change race" thing is because she once pulled out a 7 gates vs DRG at MLG Anaheim before switching back to zerg and winning the series.
According to the somewhat unclear rules she should probably have been DQ, but it made for an epic moment.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 19:37:14
February 11 2020 19:36 GMT
#28
On February 12 2020 00:24 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2020 20:41 Harris1st wrote:
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


The whole "no real announcements of Korean Circuit" probably plays a huge role in this :/


Olimoleague seems to have more Koreans tho

Olimoleague and Kung Fu Cup have more money and are better established (and even then there's a group of players that skip them 98% of the time). IIRC about a week or so after the ESL announcement dropped someone asked Zest about it and that was the first he learnt of the whole thing.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-12 00:02:41
February 12 2020 00:02 GMT
#29
On February 12 2020 04:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2020 00:24 Nakajin wrote:
On February 11 2020 20:41 Harris1st wrote:
On February 11 2020 18:40 DreamOen wrote:
Is there still a problem for koreans somehow? So few are trying ...


The whole "no real announcements of Korean Circuit" probably plays a huge role in this :/


Olimoleague seems to have more Koreans tho

Olimoleague and Kung Fu Cup have more money and are better established (and even then there's a group of players that skip them 98% of the time). IIRC about a week or so after the ESL announcement dropped someone asked Zest about it and that was the first he learnt of the whole thing.


Olimoleague and Kung Fu Cup schedules do not conflict with the EPS; also, the latter are official competitions and give a small amount of ESL points.
It should be reasonable to expect korean participation to increase over time.
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