• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:42
CET 11:42
KST 19:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !3Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win3Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Did they add GM to 2v2? RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2073 users

Rogue's Apotheosis - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
44 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Matroid_Prime
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada59 Posts
November 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#21
This article is a hyperbole. Rogue has had moments of greatness in the past, he has been considered a great Zerg since at least 2015. No one was laughing him off the stage when he would get knocked out of tourneys, it's not like he had play that was laughable. Another statement from your article is that 'Rogue's play was not as complete as any who has played the game', then you go on to state he lost to Neeb in the ro16... Much more dominant play has been seen in the past. Also $o$ has his name for a reason, in no world does anyone consider Rogue more complete with the 'originator of mind games and strategic preparation' than sOs.
Lifelong fan of Starcraft
daskleinehotte
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 22:04:58
November 07 2017 22:04 GMT
#22
super good read, I thoroughly enjoyed it!

/edit: and Rogue is a beast anyway.
www.bunker-rush.de (German SC2 and eSports blog)
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
November 07 2017 22:16 GMT
#23
On November 08 2017 04:57 djraphi23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 04:40 Psychobabas wrote:
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.


I don't know what else you need from him. To me that was the most impressive run in Blizzcon. And his run in IEM/GSL Super Tournament, it can't get any better !


He's right though, Rogue is at a point where multiple other players have been before (Byun for example). He was succesfull in the last couple of months but will he remain one of the greatest? Like soO and Innovation , or will he fall in the next months just like Byun did after winning Blizzcon?

kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
November 07 2017 23:17 GMT
#24
Im really unhappy Rogue won, and not soO. But come on guys, give him a break. Its just 2 days he won blizzcon and his accomplishments are already questioned? That's just dumb and unfair. Give him time..
Why so serious?
verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-07 23:24:10
November 07 2017 23:19 GMT
#25
Great article. I couldn't feel happy for Rogue at first, but reading this reminds me how compelling Rogue's story was this year.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
November 07 2017 23:27 GMT
#26
I'm excited to see him in GSL next year would be cool to see him win that and keep up his form.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
November 08 2017 00:32 GMT
#27
On November 08 2017 07:16 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 04:57 djraphi23 wrote:
On November 08 2017 04:40 Psychobabas wrote:
Not convinced by Rogue. Will see this season.


I don't know what else you need from him. To me that was the most impressive run in Blizzcon. And his run in IEM/GSL Super Tournament, it can't get any better !

He's right though, Rogue is at a point where multiple other players have been before (Byun for example). He was succesfull in the last couple of months but will he remain one of the greatest? Like soO and Innovation , or will he fall in the next months just like Byun did after winning Blizzcon?

ByuN was a product of a broken unit and a map pool which supported his play style. He was always going to take a step back in performance after the reaper nerf and a change in map pools.

Rogue won using the breadth of his race's tools and is not likely to be devastated by any single change. If Rogue continues to bring the same level of preparation that he did in 2017 to 2018, he's unlikely to take a major step back relative to other Zerg players.
rrrzzz
Profile Joined February 2016
48 Posts
November 08 2017 02:46 GMT
#28
Good read! Although I am too sad that if Innovation hadn't lost to TY, he would definitely beat Rogue in the final!
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 08 2017 02:58 GMT
#29
Sorry, maybe it's just me but I really struggle with these wall of texts. Can't we use some sub headings please? Also like the soO "sisyphus" article, I was looking for more of that Greek sauce somewhere in the article since you already slapped it on the title.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Asunanas
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
November 08 2017 05:31 GMT
#30
Thanks for the write up! Rogue had a pretty insane season this year and he really bloomed into a deserving world champion.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
November 08 2017 06:48 GMT
#31
Damn, he got paid. Happy for him.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
November 08 2017 08:04 GMT
#32
Rogue changed so much. I hated him in HotS era because of his quick gold hatches and early cheesy games, but now he really plays like an ultimate and experienced zerg. He really deserved the Blizzcon title. When you are ready to play late macro games that means that you are ready for the big spot in eSports. I can't agree about the consistency for Rogue. Not yet. Stats and Innovation were most consistent this year. while Rogue quickly come to the top of the tournaments from the summer with IEM. Consistency mostly belongs to FLASH most of all !
I have to admit that the final against Innovation in the GSL Super Tournament was the highest level of progaming for a long long time and Rogue was in the center of that. Much respect. I am telling this because Blizzcon is not an ultimate scale rather still remains the most epic and commersial tournament for the year. Let's not forget that TY lost /again/ from himself just like always does.
So what I am trying to say is that Rogue's hall of fame is about to begin and Code S as an ultimate challenge is waiting for him. This is good for sport because there are not so many top zergs for the last few years. It is good for the balance. For this reason I am not that hyped for Rogue yet, but only curious. After observing eSports SC for a decade I have seen many stars who came on top and easily were forgotten later. You can play like the best player today, but tomorrow you can't regocnize yourself because you haven't trained enough.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
November 08 2017 10:09 GMT
#33
Rogue is going over his WCS games on his stream now and explaining stuff. in korean.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
Someone record and translate it!
https://go.twitch.tv/roguejinair
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 11:00:25
November 08 2017 10:52 GMT
#34
Rogue vs INno right now, both are streaming :p
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 08 2017 11:01 GMT
#35
Rogue is like the super zerg. He techs too fast and macros too perfectly. He uses the full array of zerg savagery to its full potential.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
November 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#36
On November 08 2017 06:01 Mun_Su wrote:
Still sad for soO but his run show how of a joke the blizzcon truly is. He got to the final by stomping (7-1 in games) 3 foreigners and beating Gumiho... you can't do that in GSL ST, nor in GSL or SSL.

He stomped foreigners that got there by beating other Koreans. Everytime before the match people were talking about how the foreigner can win, how Neeb is favoured after beating Rogue, etc. But after soO crushed them suddenly they were just bad foreigners that got there through Blizzard rigging.
He also got a good bracket by coming out first out of the strongest RO16 group with both finalists and the strongest foreigner btw.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-08 12:25:43
November 08 2017 12:24 GMT
#37
On November 08 2017 21:03 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2017 06:01 Mun_Su wrote:

Still sad for soO but his run show how of a joke the blizzcon truly is. He got to the final by stomping (7-1 in games) 3 foreigners and beating Gumiho... you can't do that in GSL ST, nor in GSL or SSL.



He stomped foreigners that got there by beating other Koreans. Everytime before the match people were talking about how the foreigner can win, how Neeb is favoured after beating Rogue, etc. But after soO crushed them suddenly they were just bad foreigners that got there through Blizzard rigging.
He also got a good bracket by coming out first out of the strongest RO16 group with both finalists and the strongest foreigner btw.


It's really sad how people blame soO for the bracket. Its absolutely not his fault that TY lost vs. Special, that Dark lost vs. Elazer and Rogue lost vs. Neeb and Stats lost to Special and got eliminated.
Why so serious?
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
November 08 2017 12:46 GMT
#38
On November 08 2017 02:05 Cricketer12 wrote:
Rogue did what Dear couldn't...now we get to see what would have happened if Jaedong never researched burrow....

LOLLLLLL oh man
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 08 2017 12:53 GMT
#39
On November 08 2017 05:25 Alarak'smanservant wrote:
Didn't think I'd get to learn a new word while reading this Great article as always Mizenhauer

You should read the chiaroscuro article!
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
sweffymo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States62 Posts
November 08 2017 13:24 GMT
#40
Rogue has been my favorite Zerg since I first saw him play in ProLeague because he always has had a unique style and is smart enough to be able to pull it off even if it's considered "sub-optimal" by others. I don't know what his secret is that made him a macro monster and helped him get over his occasional shakiness, but whatever it is I hope he is able to keep it up!
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 76
CranKy Ducklings30
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 220
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20221
Rain 4679
GuemChi 975
Horang2 699
Stork 367
Soma 270
Larva 264
Mini 250
ZerO 238
Hyuk 183
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 155
Pusan 142
Light 139
Sharp 119
Last 107
Zeus 89
Rush 87
hero 84
Barracks 49
sorry 46
JulyZerg 41
soO 32
Sacsri 30
Mind 28
Shine 18
Movie 12
Noble 8
Mong 7
yabsab 5
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe117
League of Legends
C9.Mang0362
JimRising 349
Counter-Strike
summit1g10462
olofmeister1772
shoxiejesuss772
pashabiceps599
allub61
Other Games
ceh9601
crisheroes278
Mew2King70
Livibee53
B2W.Neo42
Trikslyr28
QueenE1
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 957
Other Games
gamesdonequick728
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 86
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH145
• LUISG 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota271
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
2h 18m
Cure vs Creator
Solar vs TBD
herO vs Spirit
Scarlett vs Gerald
Rogue vs Shameless
MaNa vs ShoWTimE
Nice vs TBD
WardiTV 2025
1d
ByuN vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
OSC
1d 3h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
SC Evo League
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.