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The Rise of INnoVation (Two translated Interviews) - Page 3

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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 10 2013 20:22 GMT
#41
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
May 10 2013 20:24 GMT
#42
Flash interview post-Group of Death please
nothing
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 10 2013 20:27 GMT
#43
Bogus became so good people will call him Innovation seriously now. :d
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 20:45 GMT
#44
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

Because HotS is very understood in comparison to WoL in 2011 - 2012 hahahaahaha, you really need to rethink that.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
May 10 2013 20:51 GMT
#45
On May 11 2013 03:46 Zislu wrote:
first

User was banned for this post.

Ooof... Got hit with that blue shell.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
May 10 2013 20:51 GMT
#46
On May 11 2013 04:27 Archen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:13 Ph4ZeD wrote:
I personally don't think anyone can beat him that's left in the GSL. Flash or Life could possibly, in a bo5 or bo7.

Well I guess its a good thing he 2-0'd life and I think flash during Ro16. I'm pretty sure sOs can take him down considering sOs 2-0d Innovation at the AIMA

2-1 vs INnoVation and not 2-0.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 10 2013 20:54 GMT
#47
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 21:00 GMT
#48
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?

Slow boring methodical macro mechanics and positioning : P Something you hate to love.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 10 2013 21:02 GMT
#49
Amazing Terran, hope that he stays on top of his game for long time, and maybe be as dominant as Flash was in BW.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Averse
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
May 10 2013 21:03 GMT
#50
Thank you for posting translation

I hope bogus continues to do well; he is a player that deserves a lot of respect.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#51
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?


Flash was a very methodical player. His gamesense is beyond maphack. While most players scout to see what their opponent is doing and what their position is, he would often know their opponent by forcing them into certain builds and positions.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
May 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#52
Such a humble Gosu. Very respectable person and player it seems.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#53
Lol he kinda overdid it with the humbleness there, claiming that flash has better tvz. Absolutely no way. Amazing player this guy, he is the new hero that terran deserves.
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 21:16:02
May 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#54
On May 11 2013 06:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Amazing Terran, hope that he stays on top of his game for long time, and maybe be as dominant as Flash was in BW.


That's not something you can simply wish without crossing into absurdity even for someone like Innovation. He'd have to stay the undisputed best player who wins everything and stays a skill tier above 95% of Code S competition for the next 4 years.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 10 2013 21:16 GMT
#55
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

load of bs, wol was way more figured out during Mvp's era than hots is right now.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#56
On May 11 2013 06:16 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

load of bs, wol was way more figured out during Mvp's era than hots is right now.

Should be noted also that MVP won GSL's when both Terran AND zerg were imbalanced in a game that was extremely figured out almost to stagnation.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
May 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#57
On May 11 2013 06:00 Hitch-22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?

Slow boring methodical macro mechanics and positioning : P Something you hate to love.


It was the style he was most known for but he had quite a few very timing-ish plays too. And his harrass-oriented games were often godly as well (that game with the drops vs Best, jesus...)

Thanks for the interview. Such a sick player. That old picture of him + the hard work thing actually made me think of Rock Lee (Naruto)
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
May 10 2013 21:21 GMT
#58
Gosu.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#59
Innovation is an amazing Terran, but ironically his playstyle doesn't seem very innovative, and I'd go as far to say that every top level terran right now seems to be doing the exact same few builds.

Game is still awesome right now but I think it needs newer maps to keep it fresh!
| SaSe | Naniwa |Stephano | LucifroN | Mvp | MarineKing | ByuN | Polt | MC | Parting |
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 21:41:35
May 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#60
Loved the interview, and his critique of himself, as well as his coaches is pretty spot on (well, besides the TvZ thing). He's not a micro monster, he's a macro monster and a up-and-kill-you monster.

I think the one thing he's really upped in his game is his strategy. The thing I love about him is he has this uncanny ability to know that the unit composition he has is enough to just straight up kill you. When he started doing these crazy pushes in WoL where he would just *keep going* when a normal player would have turned around, and ended up just winning the game, I knew he was gonna be pretty special in SC2.

I also think this is the difference between him and Flash. Flash will tend to do death by 1000 paper cuts. He'll out macro you and keep taking little leads until he's so far ahead that you can't catch up to him. Innovation will play until he sees a very specific window where he can just simply end the game.
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