• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:26
CET 15:26
KST 23:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners7Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!30$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship5[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1819 users

The Rise of INnoVation (Two translated Interviews) - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 10 2013 20:22 GMT
#41
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
May 10 2013 20:24 GMT
#42
Flash interview post-Group of Death please
nothing
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 10 2013 20:27 GMT
#43
Bogus became so good people will call him Innovation seriously now. :d
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 20:45 GMT
#44
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

Because HotS is very understood in comparison to WoL in 2011 - 2012 hahahaahaha, you really need to rethink that.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
May 10 2013 20:51 GMT
#45
On May 11 2013 03:46 Zislu wrote:
first

User was banned for this post.

Ooof... Got hit with that blue shell.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
May 10 2013 20:51 GMT
#46
On May 11 2013 04:27 Archen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:13 Ph4ZeD wrote:
I personally don't think anyone can beat him that's left in the GSL. Flash or Life could possibly, in a bo5 or bo7.

Well I guess its a good thing he 2-0'd life and I think flash during Ro16. I'm pretty sure sOs can take him down considering sOs 2-0d Innovation at the AIMA

2-1 vs INnoVation and not 2-0.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
May 10 2013 20:54 GMT
#47
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 21:00 GMT
#48
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?

Slow boring methodical macro mechanics and positioning : P Something you hate to love.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 10 2013 21:02 GMT
#49
Amazing Terran, hope that he stays on top of his game for long time, and maybe be as dominant as Flash was in BW.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Averse
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
May 10 2013 21:03 GMT
#50
Thank you for posting translation

I hope bogus continues to do well; he is a player that deserves a lot of respect.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#51
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?


Flash was a very methodical player. His gamesense is beyond maphack. While most players scout to see what their opponent is doing and what their position is, he would often know their opponent by forcing them into certain builds and positions.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
May 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#52
Such a humble Gosu. Very respectable person and player it seems.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 10 2013 21:10 GMT
#53
Lol he kinda overdid it with the humbleness there, claiming that flash has better tvz. Absolutely no way. Amazing player this guy, he is the new hero that terran deserves.
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 21:16:02
May 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#54
On May 11 2013 06:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Amazing Terran, hope that he stays on top of his game for long time, and maybe be as dominant as Flash was in BW.


That's not something you can simply wish without crossing into absurdity even for someone like Innovation. He'd have to stay the undisputed best player who wins everything and stays a skill tier above 95% of Code S competition for the next 4 years.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 10 2013 21:16 GMT
#55
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

load of bs, wol was way more figured out during Mvp's era than hots is right now.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Hitch-22
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada753 Posts
May 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#56
On May 11 2013 06:16 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:22 rift wrote:
Mvp achieved what he did against much, much weaker competition in a game that was far from understood. The two eras can't be compared.

load of bs, wol was way more figured out during Mvp's era than hots is right now.

Should be noted also that MVP won GSL's when both Terran AND zerg were imbalanced in a game that was extremely figured out almost to stagnation.
"We all let our sword do the talking for us once in awhile I guess" - Bregor, the legendary critical striker and critical misser who triple crits 2 horses with 1 arrow but lands 3 1's in a row
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
May 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#57
On May 11 2013 06:00 Hitch-22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 05:54 larse wrote:
What' s Flash's style and strengths in BW? Direct frontline engagement? Crash people head-on?

Slow boring methodical macro mechanics and positioning : P Something you hate to love.


It was the style he was most known for but he had quite a few very timing-ish plays too. And his harrass-oriented games were often godly as well (that game with the drops vs Best, jesus...)

Thanks for the interview. Such a sick player. That old picture of him + the hard work thing actually made me think of Rock Lee (Naruto)
Administrator
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 10 2013 21:21 GMT
#58
Gosu.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#59
Innovation is an amazing Terran, but ironically his playstyle doesn't seem very innovative, and I'd go as far to say that every top level terran right now seems to be doing the exact same few builds.

Game is still awesome right now but I think it needs newer maps to keep it fresh!
| SaSe | Naniwa |Stephano | LucifroN | Mvp | MarineKing | ByuN | Polt | MC | Parting |
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 21:41:35
May 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#60
Loved the interview, and his critique of himself, as well as his coaches is pretty spot on (well, besides the TvZ thing). He's not a micro monster, he's a macro monster and a up-and-kill-you monster.

I think the one thing he's really upped in his game is his strategy. The thing I love about him is he has this uncanny ability to know that the unit composition he has is enough to just straight up kill you. When he started doing these crazy pushes in WoL where he would just *keep going* when a normal player would have turned around, and ended up just winning the game, I knew he was gonna be pretty special in SC2.

I also think this is the difference between him and Flash. Flash will tend to do death by 1000 paper cuts. He'll out macro you and keep taking little leads until he's so far ahead that you can't catch up to him. Innovation will play until he sees a very specific window where he can just simply end the game.
STX Fighting!
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:00
King of the Hill #230
WardiTV673
iHatsuTV 12
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 257
Codebar 29
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 1841
Jaedong 1671
EffOrt 1036
Light 698
Mini 622
Stork 508
Larva 416
actioN 294
Snow 280
Barracks 231
[ Show more ]
hero 192
Rush 137
Leta 128
sSak 110
JYJ55
Sea.KH 55
Aegong 51
zelot 46
sas.Sziky 44
Backho 30
sorry 28
soO 22
Movie 18
NaDa 15
scan(afreeca) 14
HiyA 12
Bale 9
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
qojqva2228
420jenkins197
Counter-Strike
zeus821
allub249
shoxiejesuss229
oskar94
edward67
Other Games
singsing2045
B2W.Neo642
DeMusliM374
crisheroes349
Sick312
Lowko257
Happy256
Hui .203
XcaliburYe129
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL221
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 81
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2096
• WagamamaTV366
League of Legends
• Jankos3371
• Nemesis1531
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
35m
Lambo vs Harstem
FuturE vs Maplez
Scarlett vs FoxeR
Gerald vs Mixu
Zoun vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Korean StarCraft League
12h 35m
CranKy Ducklings
19h 35m
LAN Event
1d
IPSL
1d 3h
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
1d 5h
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 19h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 21h
LAN Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
2 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.