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Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#181
Great show! Would love to see an episode involving Mech.
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
ulan-bat
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
China403 Posts
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#182
Very unique and very good stuff. Thanks!


And, to me, improvising your commentary is a good thing.
"Short games, shorts, summer weather, those things bring the heat!" - EG.iNcontroL
Ebzy
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom153 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:31:04
February 14 2012 03:27 GMT
#183
I thought it was super interesting. You said you wanted some feedback so here is what I thought of it all. I must admit I missed the first part so if I say something you did I'll apologise now.

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Maybe emphasise a few timings/counters a little more so if your going this new build you need to look out for this and this.

I like the way you showed at x time Nestea had seen this and this so could deduce from x/y/z. I think more commentators need to use the players point of view more.

Again during highly micro intense moments show what the players are trying to achieve with their control groups etc. So maybe view the fight from Tod's point of view show how he prioritised his storms over his forcefields (or whatever it is for this player and fight) and then show it from the other point of view. I think this would help improve veiwers micro and decision making.

Maybe when you miss a drop just go back and check it, just to check drones killed or anything else. Also when a player does drop, maybe you can explain their decisions regarding what to target, tech, drones, expansions or whatever.

Maybe make it have its own vod section (not sure how) so people in Eu can watch it/find it easily. (Maybe a thread on TL that you update with the twitch links)



Although as I said I really enjoyed it, learnt a fair chunk along with helping a student with a ruined sleeping pattern!

Thanks Artosis!
Demuslim, TLO, D.Appolo <3
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
February 14 2012 03:28 GMT
#184
Missed it... Gonna watch VOD tomorrow, I guess!
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Entteri
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland108 Posts
February 14 2012 03:29 GMT
#185
Awesome show! I really love to see terran related analysis as it's usually from toss PoV when you do the regular streaming.

The only part I didn't like was you blaming mules for the income difference when a ton of probes were transfering on your screen.

Great stuff anyway! C:
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
February 14 2012 03:29 GMT
#186
Artosis insight <3

Thanks alot for doing this!

Also, I find it quite funny that the Artosis hour is 1 hour and 30 mins long...Would make for a perfect catch phrase like "The Artosis hour - Longer and better than your regular hour!"
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Tivu
Profile Joined February 2012
United States244 Posts
February 14 2012 03:29 GMT
#187
I am gonna have to tune in when I am not at work.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 03:40:04
February 14 2012 03:30 GMT
#188
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote:
If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.

He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).

For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."

It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!


Keep in mind that Artosis is doing this when he has time. That should tell you everything you need to know about whether he is going to prepare by watching the replays or not.

Besides, I didn't feel his analysis to be lacking or less 'solid' at all by lack of preparation. I think it's just your personal preference... Which is fine; I just don't think it deserves the criticism.

My opinion is that Artosis will provide the best quality analysis if he ignores everything the viewers suggest and just does what is natural for him. After all, he will be most experienced at what is most natural and therefore give better insight that way. It's like, I dunno... asking Jimi Hendrix to play metal. He'll do it, and he'll do it well, but since it's not what he likes nor what he's experienced at it won't be as good as his blues/rock/fusion kinda stuff. The best quality music will come from him doing exactly what he wants to do.
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 04:33:58
February 14 2012 03:31 GMT
#189
This was awesome. His level of analysis is very insightful in small ways, with subtle differences. He seems to go so much more in depth on this show than he ever did after casting a game.

I caught a ton of information I had never really dwelled on, until I watched him analyze the games. Small things, That you sometimes think about while playing at a high level, but never really stop and really consider if it's actually good or bad. (like canceling an important unit like the prism from coming out while underneath the scan, or making small changes like switching your 4sentry drop into a 1 zealot drop depending on the other players unit movements)

All in all I enjoyed it, will watch more.



Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
February 14 2012 03:33 GMT
#190
damn missed it. hopefully I can catch the next episode.

good stuff artosis!
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 14 2012 03:40 GMT
#191
On the subject of " preparation " by watching replays beforehand:

Personally I believe the analysis is more genuine if you are improvising and thinking about the situations on the fly instead of having a game plan already in mind going into it. That way we get to see how artosis' brain works more than just him explaining what happened during the game.
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
February 14 2012 03:41 GMT
#192
Make it The Artosis Daily, in direct competition to Day9
If you won't duke it out in 1v1s then take it out in dailies
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
February 14 2012 03:59 GMT
#193
On February 14 2012 12:17 Durn wrote:
If I could be critical of Artosis, it would have to be the apparent lack of preparation. During the Nonge/Nestea game, it just seemed like he was casting it and arbitrarily pausing to reflect on game decisions.

He uses lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "probablys" where it begins to feel like he hasn't necessarily watched the replay or anything. I know the unfortunate comparison is Day[9], so I guess it bares mentioning that Day[9] ALWAYS knows what's coming and can explain how these things relate to the late-game (which he has seen).

For instance: Artosis will say things like "If Nestea is considering Broodlords later, this may be a good move." Day[9] will say things like "And this move makes sense, as Nestea moves towards the late game with Brood Lords in mind."

It just makes the analysis feel more solid and less on-the-fly. I know it's just the first episode (and it was really good, I obviously watched) but that's some constructive criticism. Overall, I enjoyed the episode!

The way Artosis is doing it is real and actually gives insight to decision making and the possibilities that can result from it.

The way Day9 does it is just so he can trick people into making them think he knows what he's talking about.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 14 2012 04:00 GMT
#194
Awww yeah! I am so tuning in!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
February 14 2012 04:00 GMT
#195
Just bring back imbalanced with Greg please. I'm pretty sure Greg has a lot on his mind that needs to be shared with the public.
"let your freak flag fly"
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
February 14 2012 04:01 GMT
#196
Tuning in <3 so nice artosis
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
February 14 2012 04:02 GMT
#197
11am kst that's like.............. 9 pm est....

shit I missed it X__X

is there going to be another episode tomorrow?
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
February 14 2012 04:10 GMT
#198
11am KST = 6pm PST

Thanks for making it convenient! You da man now dawg!
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
skb_
Profile Joined February 2012
United States3 Posts
February 14 2012 04:32 GMT
#199
Loved the show. Will definitely keep watching.

I really liked when you pointed out alternatives, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of certain decisions and what not. You did this in the Nestea game ("should have pulled back and kept his flock alive"), but I felt you could have pointed out what Nada could have done to really take that game. In that game you were highlighting the good things that each player was doing, but not really pointing out how they should ideally play it.

If you can get some tournament replays, that would be gravy too. Analyzing games from some of these weekly tournaments would be real nice, especially the ones with more modern maps.
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
February 14 2012 04:35 GMT
#200
I have no criticisms the show was awesome, the only thing is that when there's a lot of jerky motion on the screen it constantly changes the quality of the stream which kinda makes me motion sick. If you could just move the screen in a more deliberate controlled manner that'd help. It's probably hard to do that and continue your train of thought though, I know when I watch replays I'm all over the place too.
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