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Myrddrael
Profile Joined November 2012
United Kingdom291 Posts
January 27 2018 00:29 GMT
#521
On January 27 2018 09:16 Fango wrote:
Is there any chance that Neeb doesn't win this? Don't think so


Getting knocked out by Elazer is a definite possiblity
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
January 27 2018 00:38 GMT
#522
Any recommended matches?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 27 2018 00:56 GMT
#523
On January 27 2018 09:38 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?

Masa vs DNS Game 3 was really good.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 27 2018 01:11 GMT
#524
On January 27 2018 09:29 Myrddrael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 09:16 Fango wrote:
Is there any chance that Neeb doesn't win this? Don't think so


Getting knocked out by Elazer is a definite possiblity


Elazer only makes upsets in ZvZ
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
January 27 2018 01:56 GMT
#525
On January 27 2018 10:11 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 09:29 Myrddrael wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:16 Fango wrote:
Is there any chance that Neeb doesn't win this? Don't think so


Getting knocked out by Elazer is a definite possiblity


Elazer only makes upsets in ZvZ

Elazer's ZvP is strong as well. Check his matches vs Showtime (they played quite a lot). For example he beat him in WESG EU not that long ago in a BO5 series that was quite one sided (and there was quite a lot of money on the line).
Thats just an example, he beat Stats on the NA server in a qualifying match to IEM Katowica. Stats played from KR in the morning while Elazer played form Poland in the middle of the night.

Elazer's ZvP is quite strong, especially against macro players like ShowTime, Neeb, Stats, etc.

Elazer is quite a timing oriented player, but he knows his timings quite well, and knows how to adapt when he sees something, as well as when should he hit as its going to be a vulnerable time for his opponent.
This is the main difference between Elazer and Serral, who both have good ZvZ and ZvP, but the later prefers the more macro oriented games while Elazer is more of a timing player (which is why he had a tough time vs herO in the WCS finals).
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 27 2018 02:00 GMT
#526
On January 27 2018 10:56 bulya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 10:11 Fango wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:29 Myrddrael wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:16 Fango wrote:
Is there any chance that Neeb doesn't win this? Don't think so


Getting knocked out by Elazer is a definite possiblity


Elazer only makes upsets in ZvZ

Elazer's ZvP is strong as well. Check his matches vs Showtime (they played quite a lot). For example he beat him in WESG EU not that long ago in a BO5 series that was quite one sided (and there was quite a lot of money on the line).
Thats just an example, he beat Stats on the NA server in a qualifying match to IEM Katowica. Stats played from KR in the morning while Elazer played form Poland in the middle of the night.

Elazer's ZvP is quite strong, especially against macro players like ShowTime, Neeb, Stats, etc.

Elazer is quite a timing oriented player, but he knows his timings quite well, and knows how to adapt when he sees something, as well as when should he hit as its going to be a vulnerable time for his opponent.
This is the main difference between Elazer and Serral, who both have good ZvZ and ZvP, but the later prefers the more macro oriented games while Elazer is more of a timing player (which is why he had a tough time vs herO in the WCS finals).

Elazer vs Stats? You mean the Bo5 that literally consisted of five allins in a row?

Yeah, I wouldn't read into that too much.
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
January 27 2018 02:05 GMT
#527
On January 27 2018 11:00 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 10:56 bulya wrote:
On January 27 2018 10:11 Fango wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:29 Myrddrael wrote:
On January 27 2018 09:16 Fango wrote:
Is there any chance that Neeb doesn't win this? Don't think so


Getting knocked out by Elazer is a definite possiblity


Elazer only makes upsets in ZvZ

Elazer's ZvP is strong as well. Check his matches vs Showtime (they played quite a lot). For example he beat him in WESG EU not that long ago in a BO5 series that was quite one sided (and there was quite a lot of money on the line).
Thats just an example, he beat Stats on the NA server in a qualifying match to IEM Katowica. Stats played from KR in the morning while Elazer played form Poland in the middle of the night.

Elazer's ZvP is quite strong, especially against macro players like ShowTime, Neeb, Stats, etc.

Elazer is quite a timing oriented player, but he knows his timings quite well, and knows how to adapt when he sees something, as well as when should he hit as its going to be a vulnerable time for his opponent.
This is the main difference between Elazer and Serral, who both have good ZvZ and ZvP, but the later prefers the more macro oriented games while Elazer is more of a timing player (which is why he had a tough time vs herO in the WCS finals).

Elazer vs Stats? You mean the Bo5 that literally consisted of five allins in a row?

Yeah, I wouldn't read into that too much.


Well Elazer generally plays like that in ZvP so it's not completely irrelevant.

I think Elazer is really dangerous for Neeb. Neeb has shown he's not invincible in the matchup at all at this tournament, losing to Lambo and losing 2 maps to Zanster. He still seems to have weaknesses to sharp timings and cheesy strats in PvZ and well, Elazer is pretty good at that.

On the other hand, Elazer is so greedy when he rushes up to hydras and Neeb almost always goes for heavy adept pressure atm so I can imagine at least one game where Neeb will just kill him with adepts.

If that matchup happens, I think it's pretty close as to who will win. And whoever wins that match would be a big favourite to win the whole thing.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 27 2018 10:31 GMT
#528
People say that going hydra/ling is greedy like Elazer never scouted. This reminds me when Stephano called Elazer out at HSC because of that and the latter straight up told him he was wrong
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