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On January 02 2014 04:25 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:24 geokilla wrote:On January 02 2014 03:12 Zealously wrote:On January 02 2014 03:01 geokilla wrote:
Flash vs Sora was ridiculous from a TvP balance point of view...
Why? Stacking storms, storming his own units, storming randomly. At least that's what I noticed when I watched the VOD a couple hours ago. There was a lot more to it than that. I probably won't be able to convince you otherwise but you should watch the game again, made take some notes or something. Both made crucial mistakes in the game but in the end it was decided by Sora playing well, disrupting Flash, and thinking on the fly rather than imbalance.
What were some things that stood out for you then? Aside from the DT harass that went too well. The loss of full Medivacs in that drop was pretty amazing play by Sora. Sora being indecisive was pretty bad for him, but luckily he was able to clean up the drop too.
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Don't want to disrupt the discussion, just want to jump in to say gratz to KT! Amidst the spectacular hype CJ Entus was rolling along with, I have to commend KT for not letting any of it faze them and for putting on a performance worthy of the KT name in Proleague 
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On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? 
Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either.
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On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either.
People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference
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On January 02 2014 06:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either. People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference
And you are implying that FlaSh cannot?
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On January 02 2014 06:41 penguinpoopy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either. People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference And you are implying that FlaSh cannot?
Not good enough, yes
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On January 02 2014 06:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:41 penguinpoopy wrote:On January 02 2014 06:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either. People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference And you are implying that FlaSh cannot? Not good enough, yes
While this is debatable, I don't think anyone could micro out of the storms that caught his army off guard.
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Yeah, I think Flash played as well as anyone could. His biggest mistake was the 4 full medivac give-away. It's hard to recover from that, it prevents you from being aggressive for far too long.
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On January 02 2014 06:44 penguinpoopy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:41 penguinpoopy wrote:On January 02 2014 06:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either. People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference And you are implying that FlaSh cannot? Not good enough, yes While this is debatable, I don't think anyone could micro out of the storms that caught his army off guard.
Well yeah probably not, but if you add the whole game i think lots of terrans(edit: well lots may be too much here, but you get what i mean^^) would have won that game with better micro and multitask. Whatever let's see how he does the next few weeks.
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On January 02 2014 06:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:44 penguinpoopy wrote:On January 02 2014 06:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:41 penguinpoopy wrote:On January 02 2014 06:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 02 2014 06:20 TheDwf wrote:On January 02 2014 04:40 XiaoJoyce- wrote:I saw KT vs CJ being top in the SC2 tournament highlight. at left hand column I came here, I kinda hoped it was Flash vs Sora discussion. I kinda wan to find out, what Flash was missing. I remembered his game vs Maru, where he contain Maru, but seems like lacking 2%, and then he lose. This game too, seems like he miss some 2%, and then he lose. What is the 2% Flash is lacking? Flash had a tough game because he was behind from the opening after his proxy fact/port didn't pay off. He played well considering his situation (this + DTs massacring a lot of SCVs). I don't think people like Maru, Bogus or TaeJa would have won in his position either. People like Maru or Taeja can micro, i think that is the biggest difference And you are implying that FlaSh cannot? Not good enough, yes While this is debatable, I don't think anyone could micro out of the storms that caught his army off guard. Well yeah probably not, but if you add the whole game i think lots of terrans(edit: well lots may be too much here, but you get what i mean^^) would have won that game with better micro and multitask. Whatever let's see how he does the next few weeks.
Yeah I think if it was Taeja he would have EMP'd a little better and probably prevented the game ending storms but I think Flash's storm dodging was really good up to that point. And I thought he was gonna win when he was chasing down Sora's army.
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