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Red Bull Training Grounds #1 - Santa Monica, CA - Page 23

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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
June 23 2013 22:45 GMT
#441
hellbats have ruined what was once a great matchup
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 23 2013 22:46 GMT
#442
On June 24 2013 07:44 Megiddosc wrote:
TvT used to be such a good matchup to watch.

It still can be. One side just has to decide to actually defend. When both go offensive like this, the game just looks retarded.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3310 Posts
June 23 2013 22:46 GMT
#443
Woot, Sound!
T P Z sagi
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
June 23 2013 22:46 GMT
#444
On June 24 2013 07:45 Aveng3r wrote:
hellbats have ruined what was once a great matchup



pretty much. Used to be the best mirror by a long shot, and now its terrible.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
June 23 2013 22:47 GMT
#445
its really hard to defend vs hellbats when you're Terran
"In the name of Holy Terra I challenge, Take up arms, for the Emperor’s Justice falls on you!"
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 23 2013 22:47 GMT
#446
On June 24 2013 07:46 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:44 Megiddosc wrote:
TvT used to be such a good matchup to watch.

It still can be. One side just has to decide to actually defend.

The problem is that you're barely rewarded for defending.
nidhogg11
Profile Joined September 2012
Romania24 Posts
June 23 2013 22:48 GMT
#447
I haven't been playing SC2 a lot since HoTS came out, so I would appreciate if someone could please enlighten me.

Doesn't terran air hard counter the hellbat heavy mech style?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 23 2013 22:49 GMT
#448
On June 24 2013 07:48 nidhogg11 wrote:
I haven't been playing SC2 a lot since HoTS came out, so I would appreciate if someone could please enlighten me.

Doesn't terran air hard counter the hellbat heavy mech style?

You can't go air like that.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 23 2013 22:49 GMT
#449
On June 24 2013 07:47 ImperialFist wrote:
its really hard to defend vs hellbats when you're Terran

It really ain't. You make mine(s) and a viking/turret. Demuslim just got behind by excellent reaper micro and went "i need something to get back in this game" and was forced to actually play aggressive. When both are making aggressive units, it's redicilous to whine when they can't defend their mineral line.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
June 23 2013 22:56 GMT
#450
On June 24 2013 07:47 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:46 Zarahtra wrote:
On June 24 2013 07:44 Megiddosc wrote:
TvT used to be such a good matchup to watch.

It still can be. One side just has to decide to actually defend.

The problem is that you're barely rewarded for defending.

Don't know, I can defend it pretty easily without taking dmg(well dmg that puts me behind, normally I feel ahead) with a factory expand, this in mid master. I think for top pros(and especially terrans) they just prefer to be in control, hence everyone going aggression.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
June 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#451
are these bo5?
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#452
On June 24 2013 07:57 Darpa wrote:
are these bo5?


bo5 semis, bo7 finals.
Delicious Insanity
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium841 Posts
June 23 2013 22:57 GMT
#453
I can not seem to find a LP entry for this tourney.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
June 23 2013 22:58 GMT
#454
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Red_Bull_Training_Grounds
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 22:59:01
June 23 2013 22:58 GMT
#455
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Red_Bull_Training_Grounds

ninja's everywhere!!
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
June 23 2013 22:58 GMT
#456
ninjaed
Delicious Insanity
Profile Joined November 2011
Belgium841 Posts
June 23 2013 22:59 GMT
#457
Thanks! :D :D
Jknighty
Profile Joined July 2011
159 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 23:01:49
June 23 2013 22:59 GMT
#458
Demu soooo far behind, how has that happened? Hellbats are sooooo stupid.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
June 23 2013 23:01 GMT
#459
On June 24 2013 07:59 Jknighty wrote:
Demu soooo far behind, how has that happened?

Hellbats happened
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
June 23 2013 23:01 GMT
#460
STSound is too good compared to DeMusliM. Nothing beats a Korean. Especially not when all you do is train on ladder.
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