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Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
September 12 2012 17:28 GMT
#1361
I feel bad after watching those NesTea games.
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
September 12 2012 17:39 GMT
#1362
Was a bad performance by Nestea, but like Artosis said at the beginning of the match. Nestea is the one who originated a lot of zerg strategies from scratch. I'm sure he will have a resurgence once HOTS is out and the metagame resets.
:)
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 12 2012 17:40 GMT
#1363
People are overreacting to Nestea's poor performance. Life is one of the best ZvZ players, if not the absolute best, on the planet and Supernova is superb in TvZ. Wait until he starts losing to mediocre players before bewailing his fall.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 17:58:22
September 12 2012 17:56 GMT
#1364
Well, it's not without merit. His play has looked uninspired and outclassed lately, but it's hard to tell whether it's because he is getting outclassed or (without even looking at his opponent) because he's playing a lot sloppier than usual or both.

I think it's also important to keep in mind also that Curious and Life are on the same team, both of whom are pretty damn insane in ZvZ (both sitting above 72% with recent upswings in form), and if there is one person you want to have access to when practicing for a ZvZ in particular, it's either going to be Curious or Life.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 18:04:40
September 12 2012 18:02 GMT
#1365
On September 13 2012 02:56 babylon wrote:
Well, it's not without merit. His play has looked uninspired and outclassed lately, but it's hard to tell whether it's because he is getting outclassed or (without even looking at his opponent) because he's playing a lot sloppier than usual or both.

I think it's also important to keep in mind also that Curious and Life are on the same team, both of whom are pretty damn insane in ZvZ (both sitting above 72% with recent upswings in form), and if there is one person you want to have access to when practicing for a ZvZ in particular, it's either going to be Curious or Life.


Yes but this trend has being slowly building up over the course of a year. The poor army control, stubborn adherence in mutalisks in ZvT, and overcommitment to attacks were all noticeable even before IPL4. It was only a matter of time until they would turn into painful losses on a consistent basis.

Life played a lot more like Curious in his series versus Nestea with his early aggression. I think they are rubbing off on each other in terms of strategy (Curious has been doing a lot of wacky builds in ZvT and ZvP lately).
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
September 12 2012 18:11 GMT
#1366
Good for EG JYP Ladycore, I was worried that Life would break him with all that weirdness. I'm so happy Life went through, I love watching him. It's like he's either a mad genius or just a silly kid. Probably both. When a successful cannon rush leads to an unsuccessful 6 gate all in that lasts for like 5 minutes, and moves into a 45 minute macro game with zerg drops and nydus worms, it just feels like it would be Life in there.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 18:18:36
September 12 2012 18:18 GMT
#1367
On September 13 2012 02:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
People are overreacting to Nestea's poor performance. Life is one of the best ZvZ players, if not the absolute best, on the planet and Supernova is superb in TvZ. Wait until he starts losing to mediocre players before bewailing his fall.


It's not about nestea is losing to good players because that happens to everyone. It's how he is losing. He's been looking terrible in his OSL games, his IEM games, etc. He has been making numerous mistakes in his games and is just plain looking bad in a lot of them.

I hope he recovers because I'm a huge nestea fan, but right now his play is a shadow of his former self when he would have his abacus in hand and predict your moves 10 steps ahead before you even thought to do those moves and counter them.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 12 2012 18:24 GMT
#1368
On September 13 2012 03:18 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 02:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
People are overreacting to Nestea's poor performance. Life is one of the best ZvZ players, if not the absolute best, on the planet and Supernova is superb in TvZ. Wait until he starts losing to mediocre players before bewailing his fall.


It's not about nestea is losing to good players because that happens to everyone. It's how he is losing. He's been looking terrible in his OSL games, his IEM games, etc. He has been making numerous mistakes in his games and is just plain looking bad in a lot of them.

I hope he recovers because I'm a huge nestea fan, but right now his play is a shadow of his former self when he would have his abacus in hand and predict your moves 10 steps ahead before you even thought to do those moves and counter them.


...But he's always played this way.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
September 12 2012 18:50 GMT
#1369
I think this is simply the end for Nestea. He's coasted by in the GSL, but his play gets worse and worse. SC2 is a developed game now and his opponents are much better. He can't win with such poor mechanics. His epm is 150ish, worse than most foreigners and 50+ lower than Koreans. He'll probably get knocked into Code B and we'll never see him again.

Because he has been playing BAD. Fantasy obliterated him and he doesn't even do well at foreign tournaments, losing to Kas... really? Miya toyed with Kas because he was so much better, but Nestea simply isn't good. There are no more Inca's or Losira's in Code S. Goodbye Nestea.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 19:05:58
September 12 2012 19:03 GMT
#1370
Speaking of Losira, why do you equate him with InCa? (Other than the fact that they both are in Code B and were finalists.) I haven't seen Losira play in a long time, but he's never struck me as a player to rely on all-ins, and, unlike NesTea, I think he does have the APM to keep up with the competition these days once he ... rises out of the swamp that is Code B.

Man, thinking of past finalists who aren't currently in the GSL ... Losira and TOP both strike me as those who can still do well today if they put their mind to it. TOP was a mechanics macro machine, but he just had no micro to back it up, and his decision-making could be a little off, but that's basically Bomber, and we all see how Bomber stomps everyone in Code A. (Your micro doesn't even have to be top-notch. Bomber's micro isn't that great. It's just that he knows how much micro is necessary to skate by in engagements, so he micros minimally and goes back to macroing. For example, I think we've all seen Bomber break off in the middle of splitting his marines before in TvZ.)
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
September 12 2012 19:07 GMT
#1371
Sad show by NesTea and surprised JYP could beat a strong Terran, SuperNoVa no less.
The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
September 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#1372
JYP looked especially solid with that second game against Supernova. Note that in that game JYP never went above 50 workers.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 12 2012 19:33 GMT
#1373
LOL at how JYP beat SuperNova twice, but couldn't take a game off of Life. JYPvT top 3 PvT in the world :p
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
September 12 2012 20:13 GMT
#1374
WHOO life and jyp ^^
EG-TL!
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
September 12 2012 20:20 GMT
#1375
Woot woot JYP! Poor nestea though.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 12 2012 20:29 GMT
#1376
On September 13 2012 02:39 Reborn8u wrote:
Was a bad performance by Nestea, but like Artosis said at the beginning of the match. Nestea is the one who originated a lot of zerg strategies from scratch. I'm sure he will have a resurgence once HOTS is out and the metagame resets.



This is obviously true to some extent, but I think a lot of the old strats will still be sort of viable for some time and there are so many players who are just have way better mechanics than him. I think we will see creative stuff from him and he will be able to beat "better" players with that, but I really don't see him winning a GSL again.
xlord 5:0
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
September 12 2012 20:34 GMT
#1377
JYP v Life, WTF. Mud-fights in both games?
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
September 12 2012 20:39 GMT
#1378
Someone needs to explain to me how JYP manages to beat Supernova twice in a matchup he has an awful winrate in, but loses to Life in his best matchup. Also, the fall of Nestea
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
September 12 2012 20:43 GMT
#1379
On September 13 2012 05:39 Wingblade wrote:
Someone needs to explain to me how JYP manages to beat Supernova twice in a matchup he has an awful winrate in, but loses to Life in his best matchup. Also, the fall of Nestea

statistics dont mean shit?
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
September 12 2012 20:48 GMT
#1380
Way to go JYP
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
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