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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9047 Posts
September 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#781
Leenock made about every zerg units that game except Hydra/roach (?).
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#782
On September 06 2011 19:53 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:51 Giriath wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:48 Beyonder wrote:
What are you guys whining about. Leenock has a sick competition and is winning.


He does and he did, but I still think Leenock won't do very well against better Terrans who will know to expand and macro well.

He needs to be a little more aggressive and push that early advantage he always manages to get so well.


What early advantage?.... Leenock was behind for alot of the game, he didn't spot the quick 3rd untill very late.... did you watch the same game I did? :|


He always defends against bunker/marine and hellion pressure losing barely any units while expanding faster. That gets him an advantage.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#783
On September 06 2011 19:53 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:50 Maghetti wrote:
Even though Yoda made waaaaay to few ghosts, I have to ask, other than completely ignoring hive tech and infestors vs ghosts and sticking with roaches or banes or mutas etc, what can zerg do? And if sticking with those lower tier units is the only thing zerg can do vs a good ghost user, isn't it generally accepted that you need hive tech to actually kill a late game terran?


Darkforce will tell you that infestor broodlord does fine vs ghosts as long as your eco isn't bad.

(and I mean literally, that's what he said after July lost yesterday))


in all of these games, the real damage is coming from drops. If you hold off the drops you can fight the army. I also encourage dropping and worming vs the terran in lategame because vikings are slow and ghosts cant stim.

ghsot academies are really easy to snipe with a ling drop.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#784
What you run outta mariines?
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Notfragile
Profile Joined April 2011
Greece713 Posts
September 06 2011 10:54 GMT
#785
WOW!!! That's TvZ guys in case you didn't notice
"The art of war is of vital importance to the state" || MVP.Keen fan since the day he stole my heart with a double 2rax. http://i.imgur.com/A82cl.gif
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 06 2011 10:55 GMT
#786
ok it's a TvT time to play with gom settings
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
September 06 2011 10:55 GMT
#787
Thank god for cold fusion.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
September 06 2011 10:56 GMT
#788
On September 06 2011 19:54 Giriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:53 snafoo wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:51 Giriath wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:48 Beyonder wrote:
What are you guys whining about. Leenock has a sick competition and is winning.


He does and he did, but I still think Leenock won't do very well against better Terrans who will know to expand and macro well.

He needs to be a little more aggressive and push that early advantage he always manages to get so well.


What early advantage?.... Leenock was behind for alot of the game, he didn't spot the quick 3rd untill very late.... did you watch the same game I did? :|


He always defends against bunker/marine and hellion pressure losing barely any units while expanding faster. That gets him an advantage.



He didn't have an advantage in this game though.... which is why he didn't take advantage of it like you said he should of done -_-
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
September 06 2011 10:56 GMT
#789
Both Byun and Supernova have expansions up and are building stuff some minor helion harass by Supernova
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 06 2011 10:56 GMT
#790
I think Yoda is eliminated alrdy since he is 0-2 and both the 2-0s beat him.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
September 06 2011 10:57 GMT
#791
On September 06 2011 19:56 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:54 Giriath wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:53 snafoo wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:51 Giriath wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:48 Beyonder wrote:
What are you guys whining about. Leenock has a sick competition and is winning.


He does and he did, but I still think Leenock won't do very well against better Terrans who will know to expand and macro well.

He needs to be a little more aggressive and push that early advantage he always manages to get so well.


What early advantage?.... Leenock was behind for alot of the game, he didn't spot the quick 3rd untill very late.... did you watch the same game I did? :|


He always defends against bunker/marine and hellion pressure losing barely any units while expanding faster. That gets him an advantage.



He didn't have an advantage in this game though.... which is why he didn't take advantage of it like you said he should of done -_-


You don't get an advantage by killing pressure units while not losing any of your own and focusing on your economy? Ok.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 06 2011 10:57 GMT
#792
On September 06 2011 19:53 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:50 Maghetti wrote:
Even though Yoda made waaaaay to few ghosts, I have to ask, other than completely ignoring hive tech and infestors vs ghosts and sticking with roaches or banes or mutas etc, what can zerg do? And if sticking with those lower tier units is the only thing zerg can do vs a good ghost user, isn't it generally accepted that you need hive tech to actually kill a late game terran?


Darkforce will tell you that infestor broodlord does fine vs ghosts as long as your eco isn't bad.

(and I mean literally, that's what he said after July lost yesterday))

Yeah I have seen it win alot too but Mvp was actually the first person I have seen make the proper amount of ghosts. Terrans tend to do what Yoda just did, sorta dip their foot in ghosts. I guess only time will tell on how effective ghosts truely are, but I suspect that the age of ghosts hasn't even began.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 06 2011 10:57 GMT
#793
I missed Alicia vs Byun. t.t
Did anyone report that game or quick summary?
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
September 06 2011 10:57 GMT
#794
On September 06 2011 19:51 Zeaket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:49 Adreme wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:48 Beyonder wrote:
What are you guys whining about. Leenock has a sick competition and is winning.


So we learned the counter to that comp is not throwing away 10 utras.


or your opponent not having enough ghosts


Honestly MVP saved his tanks better than Yoda which is the only reason mass ghost can work. If there arent enough tanks mass t1 can just run it over and also Yoda losing those bases meant he didnt have the gas to make 20 ghosts.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 06 2011 10:57 GMT
#795
On September 06 2011 19:55 thopol wrote:
Thank god for cold fusion.

Dearest Helena, - By now the news of our defeat has reached the Earth. - The creatures we were sent here to tame are un-tamable. Whatever you may hear about what has happened out here, know this; - Alexei did not die gloriously in battle.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 06 2011 10:58 GMT
#796
whew, sick defense.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#797
Byun held that well.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
September 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#798
Blue Flame Hellion drop - doesn't go well, get 11 supply ahead.

=P
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 10:59:53
September 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#799
On September 06 2011 19:57 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:53 Asha` wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:50 Maghetti wrote:
Even though Yoda made waaaaay to few ghosts, I have to ask, other than completely ignoring hive tech and infestors vs ghosts and sticking with roaches or banes or mutas etc, what can zerg do? And if sticking with those lower tier units is the only thing zerg can do vs a good ghost user, isn't it generally accepted that you need hive tech to actually kill a late game terran?


Darkforce will tell you that infestor broodlord does fine vs ghosts as long as your eco isn't bad.

(and I mean literally, that's what he said after July lost yesterday))

Yeah I have seen it win alot too but Mvp was actually the first person I have seen make the proper amount of ghosts. Terrans tend to do what Yoda just did, sorta dip their foot in ghosts. I guess only time will tell on how effective ghosts truely are, but I suspect that the age of ghosts hasn't even began.


MVP had more bases and he still had his tanks so he could also make right amount of ghosts. Also July didnt make BL so he didnt have to spend gas on vikings.

Edit: he didnt really make BL until the game was pretty much over.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#800
On September 06 2011 19:57 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 19:51 Zeaket wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:49 Adreme wrote:
On September 06 2011 19:48 Beyonder wrote:
What are you guys whining about. Leenock has a sick competition and is winning.


So we learned the counter to that comp is not throwing away 10 utras.


or your opponent not having enough ghosts


Honestly MVP saved his tanks better than Yoda which is the only reason mass ghost can work. If there arent enough tanks mass t1 can just run it over and also Yoda losing those bases meant he didnt have the gas to make 20 ghosts.


or leenock punished yoda's tanks better than july, which I agree with. And he was taking out tanks with only lings, not wasting his banelings until absolutely necessary.
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