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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
May 28 2011 02:46 GMT
#481
On May 28 2011 11:43 Techno wrote:
Mr Bitters said that MoonGlade was "all in" but how all in was it? It was simply building an army at a time where IdrA wouldn't.


It wasn't an all in at all, he built a round of drones and was taking another base.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 28 2011 02:46 GMT
#482
On May 28 2011 11:44 Deeeno wrote:
I wonder how much scarier that would have been if he wasn't floating so many minerals... even after he dropped 2 more hatcheries

I wonder how less scary it would have looked had Kawaii droped some bunkers after seeing the roach ling on the way rather than starting a third CC.
Hi
Zebb
Profile Joined March 2011
United States834 Posts
May 28 2011 02:46 GMT
#483
I think terran needs to do a full wall on that map. Roaches killing the rocks is essentially unavoidable, and the open wall frees up the banelings to kill units instead of structures. If zerg had to use banelings to get inside that battle would have ended differently.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#484
On May 28 2011 11:44 Deeeno wrote:
I wonder how much scarier that would have been if he wasn't floating so many minerals... even after he dropped 2 more hatcheries

Floating some minerals is quite normal for zergs at that stage if they have a good economy. They just can't really spend it without additional macro hatches.
mistgun_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
309 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#485
On May 28 2011 11:45 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:43 ellirc wrote:
On May 28 2011 11:42 mistgun_EU wrote:
pro decision making, moonglade saw early blueflame, so he probably knew there would be no siege yet

Should be interesting to see if he would mention that in an interview. I highly doubt it. That looked like a blind build to me.

Yea it looked blind to me too. I actually think it was prompted by the fact that it is crevasse and he knows he can get in easily thanks to the rocks.


well even gretorp mentioned that he saw blueflame hellions early and decided to go for kill instead of getting more ahead.
partisan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States783 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#486
On May 28 2011 11:43 travis wrote:
"bam bam thank ya mam".

I do believe gretorp mistaked a wam for a bam.



He's just a flintstones fan
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#487
On May 28 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:43 Techno wrote:
Mr Bitters said that MoonGlade was "all in" but how all in was it? It was simply building an army at a time where IdrA wouldn't.


If seige mode had been done, or there were 2-3 bunkers he would have been super far behind and would have lost the game. Doing an attack like that off of 2 bases (and not expanding to a third) is all in as kawaii would have been up a base which = better economy, army, etc.


loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

you need a fucking manual to understand people's definition of all-in noawadays.

that was not an all-in, it was a read, planned and executed attack by moonglade. he knew that he committed to blue flame hellions which gave him a window to punish him for those hellions doing absolutely nothing
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#488
Game Two is now starting on Typhon Peaks

Moonglade is positioned at the Top right corner

While Kawaiirice is located in the Top left corner

Moonglade is 1-0 up in the series
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#489
It might have been turned out differently if KawaiiRice hit the expansion from a different angle.

Game 2 Typhon Peaks, Kawaii at 9 and Moonglade at 3.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#490
On May 28 2011 11:46 pieman819 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:44 Deeeno wrote:
I wonder how much scarier that would have been if he wasn't floating so many minerals... even after he dropped 2 more hatcheries

I wonder how less scary it would have looked had Kawaii droped some bunkers after seeing the roach ling on the way rather than starting a third CC.


Lol, it would be equal if we're simply basing it off what could have been done. Kawaii with more defense, Glade with more attacking forces. And on and on...
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#491
On May 28 2011 11:47 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:43 travis wrote:
"bam bam thank ya mam".

I do believe gretorp mistaked a wam for a bam.



He's just a flintstones fan


lmao!
Spectorials
Profile Joined October 2010
558 Posts
May 28 2011 02:47 GMT
#492
On May 28 2011 11:47 akalarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:45 blade55555 wrote:
On May 28 2011 11:43 Techno wrote:
Mr Bitters said that MoonGlade was "all in" but how all in was it? It was simply building an army at a time where IdrA wouldn't.


If seige mode had been done, or there were 2-3 bunkers he would have been super far behind and would have lost the game. Doing an attack like that off of 2 bases (and not expanding to a third) is all in as kawaii would have been up a base which = better economy, army, etc.


loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

you need a fucking manual to understand people's definition of all-in noawadays.

that was not an all-in, it was a read, planned and executed attack by moonglade. he knew that he committed to blue flame hellions which gave him a window to punish him for those hellions doing absolutely nothing


+1
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 28 2011 02:48 GMT
#493
On May 28 2011 11:47 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two is now starting on Typhon Peaks

Moonglade is positioned at the Top right corner

While Kawaiirice is located in the Top left corner

Moonglade is 1-0 up in the series


2:30

Hatchery first for Moonglade
Kotschmonaut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany117 Posts
May 28 2011 02:48 GMT
#494
sorry guys, just tuned in, why does the spoiler tag show that game 1 was on metalopolis ? smth wrong there ?
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
May 28 2011 02:48 GMT
#495
Too add to the screaming, I too dislike the over use of the term "all-in".

There's a difference between "all-in" and "disadvantage."
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 28 2011 02:49 GMT
#496
On May 28 2011 11:48 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:47 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two is now starting on Typhon Peaks

Moonglade is positioned at the Top right corner

While Kawaiirice is located in the Top left corner

Moonglade is 1-0 up in the series


2:30

Hatchery first for Moonglade


3:30

Hatchery finishes for Moonglade

Reaper on the way for Kawaiirice
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 28 2011 02:49 GMT
#497
Yea if that was an all-in, I go all-in in every single game I play at some point...
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 28 2011 02:49 GMT
#498
On May 28 2011 11:45 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:43 Techno wrote:
Mr Bitters said that MoonGlade was "all in" but how all in was it? It was simply building an army at a time where IdrA wouldn't.


Ignore it, it's a stupid term incorrectly used to describe any time at which Zerg shifts from drone commitment to unit commitment. Horribly misused in my opinion - it should be unique to Terrans and their SCV pushes (where it originated).


Well when on 2 base, it's very hard to distinguish an all-in and a timing. Moonglade obviously had a timing in mind and had to do significant damage or he would've lost the game. All timings are somewat all-in becuz of their low economy, but if they do enough damage, u can easily transition into economy. So the terms are a bit vague.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 28 2011 02:50 GMT
#499
On May 28 2011 11:49 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:48 Drazerk wrote:
On May 28 2011 11:47 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two is now starting on Typhon Peaks

Moonglade is positioned at the Top right corner

While Kawaiirice is located in the Top left corner

Moonglade is 1-0 up in the series


2:30

Hatchery first for Moonglade


3:30

Hatchery finishes for Moonglade

Reaper on the way for Kawaiirice


4:30

Stim and expansion are on the way for Kawaiirice
ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
May 28 2011 02:50 GMT
#500
On May 28 2011 11:45 DoomsVille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 11:43 ellirc wrote:
On May 28 2011 11:42 mistgun_EU wrote:
pro decision making, moonglade saw early blueflame, so he probably knew there would be no siege yet

Should be interesting to see if he would mention that in an interview. I highly doubt it. That looked like a blind build to me.

Yea it looked blind to me too. I actually think it was prompted by the fact that it is crevasse and he knows he can get in easily thanks to the rocks.

We think alike.
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