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On May 19 2011 14:50 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:15 TheArtOfFugue wrote:On May 19 2011 11:17 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:14 ShogunSeppuku wrote:On May 19 2011 11:13 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:11 ShogunSeppuku wrote:
Why do random people bash pros? How many real, big tournaments have you played in and done well? How many games do you play perfectly? None? Really? Shocking. Shut up and stop critiquing players who are better than you. I hope you've never talked badly about a football player unless you play in the premier league or a news reader unless you've been on TV and read the news. etc. etc. I haven't. I don't watch football. Spectators can have their own opinion regardless of how stupid or shitty it is. They can bash all they want and you literally can't do anything about it. Sure they can and they do... it's still extremely stupid and so is your argument. Best analogy is a fat dude on his couch complaining that an "athlete" should "run faster, be perfect at all times". Which is precisely what you just did. so its wrong for me to complain about a guy doing terrible at his job? i am extremely stupid for saying george clooney was terrible in batman an robin? i watch sc2 to be entertained and when there is bad play i am not entertained and i will complain. i want the best product possible and certain players keep that from being produced.
I think it's more the extent that people go to, to bash them pros. I'm not a fan of posts that call players like Artosis or Grubby fucking terrible, even if their level of play is sub-par to someone like Sheth. it's ruthless critism for the sake of being an ass, and it's not very respectable. saying that it was disappointing, or commenting on the bad play is understandable.
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On May 19 2011 15:00 thekibk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 19 2011 14:15 TheArtOfFugue wrote:On May 19 2011 11:17 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:14 ShogunSeppuku wrote:On May 19 2011 11:13 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:11 ShogunSeppuku wrote:
Why do random people bash pros? How many real, big tournaments have you played in and done well? How many games do you play perfectly? None? Really? Shocking. Shut up and stop critiquing players who are better than you. I hope you've never talked badly about a football player unless you play in the premier league or a news reader unless you've been on TV and read the news. etc. etc. I haven't. I don't watch football. Spectators can have their own opinion regardless of how stupid or shitty it is. They can bash all they want and you literally can't do anything about it. Sure they can and they do... it's still extremely stupid and so is your argument. Best analogy is a fat dude on his couch complaining that an "athlete" should "run faster, be perfect at all times". Which is precisely what you just did. so its wrong for me to complain about a guy doing terrible at his job? i am extremely stupid for saying george clooney was terrible in batman an robin? i watch sc2 to be entertained and when there is bad play i am not entertained and i will complain. i want the best product possible and certain players keep that from being produced. I think it's more the extent that people go to, to bash them pros. I'm not a fan of posts that call players like Artosis or Grubby fucking terrible, even if there level of play is sub-par to someone like sheth. it's ruthless critism for the sake of being an ass, and it's not very respectable. saying that was disappointing, or commenting on the bad play is understandable.
i agree there is no need to be an ass, but the thought that because im not a pro means that i cant say grubby played terrible is just wrong. by that logic i cant say that thorzain played great throughout the tsl because im not a pro.
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On May 19 2011 15:01 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 15:00 thekibk wrote:On May 19 2011 14:50 jmbthirteen wrote:On May 19 2011 14:15 TheArtOfFugue wrote:On May 19 2011 11:17 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:14 ShogunSeppuku wrote:On May 19 2011 11:13 AltF4Gate wrote:On May 19 2011 11:11 ShogunSeppuku wrote:
Why do random people bash pros? How many real, big tournaments have you played in and done well? How many games do you play perfectly? None? Really? Shocking. Shut up and stop critiquing players who are better than you. I hope you've never talked badly about a football player unless you play in the premier league or a news reader unless you've been on TV and read the news. etc. etc. I haven't. I don't watch football. Spectators can have their own opinion regardless of how stupid or shitty it is. They can bash all they want and you literally can't do anything about it. Sure they can and they do... it's still extremely stupid and so is your argument. Best analogy is a fat dude on his couch complaining that an "athlete" should "run faster, be perfect at all times". Which is precisely what you just did. so its wrong for me to complain about a guy doing terrible at his job? i am extremely stupid for saying george clooney was terrible in batman an robin? i watch sc2 to be entertained and when there is bad play i am not entertained and i will complain. i want the best product possible and certain players keep that from being produced. I think it's more the extent that people go to, to bash them pros. I'm not a fan of posts that call players like Artosis or Grubby fucking terrible, even if there level of play is sub-par to someone like sheth. it's ruthless critism for the sake of being an ass, and it's not very respectable. saying that was disappointing, or commenting on the bad play is understandable. i agree there is no need to be an ass, but the thought that because im not a pro means that i cant say grubby played terrible is just wrong. by that logic i cant say that thorzain played great throughout the tsl because im not a pro.
Yeah, totally ture.
and it would be a sin not to say Thorzain played godly.
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Ouch Grubby lost to Artosis? That's just bad. Artosis just started <_<
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Artosis winning a match ? The earth is gonna spin the other way around now oO
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Artosis proving us why hes the best =)!
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wow didnt expect artosis to pull it off
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When do VODs normally go up? I missed the artosis match 
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On May 19 2011 16:22 Imbajoe wrote:When do VODs normally go up? I missed the artosis match
After EU restream
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Wow, good job Artosis! Here's hoping there's ,ore wins where that came from.
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On May 19 2011 14:56 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 13:44 TheArtOfFugue wrote:On May 19 2011 11:04 Seide wrote:
terrible play from both players.
Grubby, what the hell?
Artosis, where yo macro at, that was pitiful. Come on dude, you are in bronze league.... keep your stupid comments to yourself. You don't have to be in Masters to realize that the matches were terrible. A lot of people watch lots of Starcraft and just don't play much. Someone who watches the game and doesn't play it can tell you that having minerals floating around 800, a ton of unspent chronoboost and blinking into Zealots are not good things to do. Do you really think those are stupid comments? If so, look in the mirror there son.
You know protoss are going to have floating resources? Imagine you have 5 gates.
How much do 5 stalkers cost? 725 minerals and 250 gas.
Think about that.
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from watching Artosis stream this morning really suprised he beat grubby 2-0, just seem so error prone in his play. What were the games like?? looks like Grubby is deffiantly go to end up bottom of their group!!
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On May 19 2011 11:13 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 11:07 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2011 11:06 Whitewing wrote:
The sad thing is, Artosis' macro was terrible, looked like platinum level play macro wise. Didn't use chrono boost at all, wasn't making probes while stockpiling tons of money after fast expanding, and fell behind in econ -_-. If Grubby hadn't attacked up that choke stupidly, he would have won easily, Artosis just wasn't making anywhere near as much stuff as he should have been. His macro was bad but "platinum level" is such a wild hyperbole. I'm platinum and my macro is better than what he showed in the Crevasse game. It's not hyperbole at all.
Then go reach master league and take a game off grubby oO
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ARTOSIS TO OWN THE SCENE LETSGOOOOO ARTOSISPYLONS EVEYWEREE
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On May 19 2011 11:13 snifit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 11:07 TheSubtleArt wrote:On May 19 2011 11:06 Whitewing wrote:
The sad thing is, Artosis' macro was terrible, looked like platinum level play macro wise. Didn't use chrono boost at all, wasn't making probes while stockpiling tons of money after fast expanding, and fell behind in econ -_-. If Grubby hadn't attacked up that choke stupidly, he would have won easily, Artosis just wasn't making anywhere near as much stuff as he should have been. His macro was bad but "platinum level" is such a wild hyperbole. I'm platinum and my macro is better than what he showed in the Crevasse game. It's not hyperbole at all.
Thats absolutely ridiculous. If you can't get out of platinum, most likely you just don't see how flawed your own macro is.
Its a different world playing the game yourself and watching someone else do it.
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Its great to see Rainbow and Artosis winning also, only if Grubby would do win also. :>
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GuineaPig + DRG winning the finals for MVP, you heard it here first.
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How were the Artosis vs Grubby games? 4Gates?
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EPT
