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Power Rank - MLG Spring Edition - Page 16

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eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 16:22:16
June 08 2012 16:21 GMT
#301
symbol seems on fire right now, drg is always solid but marineking should take this if he goes with the same focus in the tournament like in the winter championships. i remember him saying something like "im so energized, i simply wanna play right now as if theres nothing else" before the first game. if he can get into that mindset again, he can crush anyone. if not, well see him choking like against parting & taeja in the last gsl season.
dearyuna
Profile Joined December 2011
United States322 Posts
June 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#302
On June 08 2012 14:17 ZeroSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 13:55 dearyuna wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2012 10:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:

#2: kr (Z)TSL_Symbol

DRG would be a safe choice for second in our power rankings. In the last four MLGs, DRG has placed in the top 2 in three of them. He has recently won a GSL. And he has shown he can devastate entire GSTL teams by himself, a feat that no player has yet matched. Until now.

Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, TSL was a struggling team with a huge Zerg lineup filled with players that were, for the most part, indistinguishable. But one day, rather abruptly, Symbol decided he had had enough of it, got up, separated himself from the pack, and became one of the best Zergs in the world. No one has more momentum going into this MLG as much as Symbol, as in the last few months, he’s taken 2nd place at Iron Squid, 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II Korean qualifier, and 2nd place at MLG Spring Arena II in addition to qualifying for code S.

But more recently, Symbol achieved something even more legendary, something only DRG had achieved before him. He became a “True Ace” for his team, a player with the ability to single handedly carry his entire team on his back, regardless of how much his teammates faltered, failed, and conspired to lose the series. He is the hero that TSL needs, and if he's the one they deserve, then they must have rescued a burning bus full of orphans in their past lives. And on his way to leading TSL to GSTL glory, Symbol has taken out a total of nine players in two matches, including Moon, Oz, Byul, Alive, Losira, Nestea, and MVP, an incredible run for anyone. In fact, in just these last 3 months alone, Symbol’s record versus champions include 3-0 vs MKP, 4-1 vs Nestea, 2-2 vs MVP, 2-0 vs Jjakji, 2-2 vs MC, 2-0 vs Stephano, 4-4 vs Polt, and 4-4 vs MMA.

The only notable GSL champion Symbol has not yet butt heads with is DRG, the player with whom he now contends for the title of best Zerg in the world. This MLG will be a test for both players. We will have an opportunity to see which is stronger, DRG’s consistency or Symbol’s seemingly unstoppable momentum. And whoever comes out the other end will have a very good claim to the throne of the swarm.

</p> </div> </div>
Writers: NrGmonk, tree.hugger and Waxangel.
Graphics: Meko
Editors: Waxangel and Antoine.



Even DRG didn't pull off that reverse all-kill lol
I do have to say, as much as Symbol really worked hard and made a name for himself, Coach Lee is amazing too. People can hate him or love him for the rumors that go around about him, but one things for sure; he really knows how to train and make players. He told fellow teamliquid TSL fan Dragonborn to watch out for Symbol 6 months ago, and now here he is. I think Symbol can easily take this MLG home for sure
I personally think Polt is still the best when it comes to a terran player standing a chance against the swarm though. He's not the only one pointing at the buff towards the ever increasing uphill battle for Terran players. He also has a knack for keeping the team together. After seeing how hard the players worked, TSL definitely deserves to be on the top.
+ Show Spoiler +

no bias at all


Just checked your Twitter.

Wow, you are actually a girl.

Cheers for Coach Lee, he keeps pulling out new Talents that become Top players

PuMa, aLive, SymboL ....

TSL is the true Talentschool of SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry I was a bit harsh about Fnatic vs TSL rivalry, it was just very tense moment.



So you thought I was a guy this whole time?
And lol it's fine, I almost threw my laptop out the window when LosirA went on his 4 kill rampage.
Symbol is definitely riding out the confidence wave. Hopefully it'll go through MLG as well
On top of that, I'd still like to see Inori do really well too. TSL needs to make the protoss player top tier too :D
@dearyuna Team SCV Life <3
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
June 08 2012 16:26 GMT
#303
On June 09 2012 01:19 ZeroSC2 wrote:
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On June 08 2012 23:16 Noocta wrote:
The aLive write up make me so sad. T_T
He's to MVP what GanZi was to MMA.


Mvp is the better player, but thats not where aLive aims to be.

aLive aims to be one of the Top 5 Terrans, and he definetly belongs there.

He just wants to get people to give him more credit on his strenghts, not only looking at his weaknesses (being very shy is obviously one of those weaknesses, as people consider him to be boring)

GanZi and MMA was a entireily different story, they were team mates, and one has to be the more popular player.

aLive doesnt have such pressure, he is the boss in fnatic, afterall they build up their new Korean team around him


I meant that in term of play.
Strong terran with all around solid play but no flush ? MVP is here before aLive in people mind.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
ZeroSC2
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)668 Posts
June 08 2012 16:36 GMT
#304
On June 09 2012 01:26 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 01:19 ZeroSC2 wrote:
On June 08 2012 23:16 Noocta wrote:
The aLive write up make me so sad. T_T
He's to MVP what GanZi was to MMA.


Mvp is the better player, but thats not where aLive aims to be.

aLive aims to be one of the Top 5 Terrans, and he definetly belongs there.

He just wants to get people to give him more credit on his strenghts, not only looking at his weaknesses (being very shy is obviously one of those weaknesses, as people consider him to be boring)

GanZi and MMA was a entireily different story, they were team mates, and one has to be the more popular player.

aLive doesnt have such pressure, he is the boss in fnatic, afterall they build up their new Korean team around him


I meant that in term of play.
Strong terran with all around solid play but no flush ? MVP is here before aLive in people mind.


pretty similar style, both rely on their macro and strong decision making.

both are Mech monsters in TvT

Mvp was just successful with this before aLive - thats probably why he got overshadowed.

Different from that you ve got Bio players like Polt and MKP, who rely on Micro. MKP also kind of overshadows Polt here.
Flash
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
June 08 2012 16:39 GMT
#305
On June 09 2012 00:05 ohampatu wrote:
Alot of people didn't seem to get my HuK and Idra example. I understand i blended the last 2 arenas in, but the point still stands. They are both horrible, yet you have 1 at rank 19 and 1 not ranked. Thats what I mean by Bias. They both suck, yet you think HuK winning a few pvp's before losing to a mid-tier korean is good.

Like the other guy said, great writing, but the power rank is just terrible because of foreigner placements. I think the KR placements are decent, although a few writers are putting people higher based off no tourney wins or 'hot streaks', etc.

Out of the 40, the following are all horribly incorrect, ill go from Rank 1.
Thorzain at rank 16 is way way too high. He is good, but he has always got shit on in MLG. He isn't seeded into the brackets as far as I know. If he makes top 32 ill be surprised. He even complained about MLG and stated its format wasn't for him.
Byul at rank 17. He is good, but really, let him win a couple of things before he is top 20. He shouldn't be so far ahead of so many different code s and code a players.
Huk at rank 19. Really???? He is as bad as Idra. Like thats a fact. Idra can beat him now. And Idra doesn't win. HuK only has pvp, as soon as he hits a non protoss mid-tier KR he will crumble.
SaSe at 25. Even in the writeup you talk about his skill and his 'non-winnings'. Quick everyone, lets make power ranks based off how good we think a player could be, and not how good he actually is in tournament settings.

im going to stop there, it gets worse from 25-32

Keep in mind that we take into account many more tournaments and results than the average TL user watches.

Thorzain: He recently won a tournament filled with Koreans and I can't really find a good argument for anyone below him to be placed above him. Keep in mind we don't take into account seeding when we rank. This is stated at the top of the post.
Byul: This one may be premature, but it sure stirs up discussion. =) (which is one of the points of the power rank) We also not only look at results but at play, and Byul plays well.
Huk: He's actually done decently well recently, placing very high in both Winter MLGs and beating a lot of good people at IPL4 including Hero, Virus, and Ryung. You can say he did well at recent MLGs because of PvP, but you still have to give him some credit for that.
Sase: Sase always does well at foreign tournaments. He was the closest foreigner, along with Huk, to making it to pool play at IPL4. He got 2nd at Red Bull Lan, beat Thorzain and Taeja at Red Bull Battlegrounds, and always does well at MLGs. In fact, I think he's made it to pool play every time he's attended. Definitely enough tournament results to justify his placement.
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Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
June 08 2012 16:50 GMT
#306
Awesome that MMA is attending, I think this tournament will be Stephano's biggest test yet!
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
June 08 2012 17:05 GMT
#307
Lucky should be higher methinks.

I like the ranks. Power ranks are always subjective and open to argument. I mean, no objective ranking system is perfect, and I think intelligent interpretation of recent results can be very enlightening.

I'm going to say though, that I like posts with predictions rather than power ranks. Like, "Goody's gonna make the finals!!!" etc
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
EsMuyVien
Profile Joined July 2011
United States408 Posts
June 08 2012 17:07 GMT
#308
Hahaha - Desrow, but not IdrA... Thank you for another great article, guys.
If what I think is happening is happening - it better not be.
Runlet
Profile Joined May 2012
5 Posts
June 08 2012 17:14 GMT
#309
[QUOTE]On June 08 2012 10:22 Olinim wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2012 10:14 Hall0wed wrote:
Top 3 will be Symbol, DRG, Losira.[/QUOTE]
So badly you hate Zerg?
kabar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States616 Posts
June 08 2012 17:16 GMT
#310
hope we see plenty of photos from anaheim...wish i was there.

power ranks are fun but i think maybe some kind of other feature mixed in with it would be better, prediction articles?, then keep the power ranks to a top 10 with pretty graphics and all that fun stuff for hype value.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 17:28:46
June 08 2012 17:26 GMT
#311
On June 08 2012 22:10 ohampatu wrote:
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On June 08 2012 22:06 NeonFox wrote:
On June 08 2012 21:19 Vanadiel wrote:
I actually feel like Stephano can take it, all you guy have to do is to close all bars at Anaheim.


And lock Bling in a closet.



Lol. I love that fans instead of 'hating' on Stephano/Bling, just run with it. Every month another instance or two of something that just makes me think Stephano is French Partier who doesn't care about the 'scene', he just keeps adding notches on his belt of instances like last time. 'its ok guys i was just hungover', 'its ok we love you for not caring'

If somebody like Naniwa got trashed and sucked the next day, there would be a reddit/tl shitstorm of different topics. But Stephano can be arrogant/not care/get trashed/etc, and we still just say we love him. BIAS!, gotta love it


Naniwa gets hate on a lot, yes, but did he change because of it?

Stephano is untouchable. His team isn't able to control him - he doesn't show up to Millennium's team matches and nothing is done about it - while organizers love to have him because he is the Western hope and he is charismatic on stage. When Stephano is in a tournament, people flock to the audience. Nobody else, besides IdrA, has the magnetism that Stephano has, but IdrA loses in the first match of major tournaments he goes to while Stephano ends up Top 3.

The music is going to end one of these days, but till then, Stephano dances on.
Panthae
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada205 Posts
June 08 2012 17:31 GMT
#312
I think Scarlett would've deserved some honorable mention, she seems to be the korean-stomper if you look at last MLG and all I hear is that she's been practicing, ALOT.
For Aïur?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 08 2012 17:32 GMT
#313
On June 09 2012 02:31 Panthae wrote:
I think Scarlett would've deserved some honorable mention, she seems to be the korean-stomper if you look at last MLG and all I hear is that she's been practicing, ALOT.


I don't think Scarlett is attending?
ucDarchon
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany119 Posts
June 08 2012 17:38 GMT
#314
Place Socke higher than some of the foreigners who don't have any results worth mentioning, please.
I mean come on, Socke even beat some of them in recent tournaments.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
June 08 2012 17:51 GMT
#315
On June 08 2012 10:03 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
After taking the moral high ground in all those US immigration debates for years, I'm starting to understand the entire "they took our jobs!" mentality.

The moral high ground is to favor people who ignored the laws and walk here from Mexico over everyone else in the world who follows the lawful immigration process? I'm confused.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
June 08 2012 17:52 GMT
#316
Really happy to hear Illusion is no longer an up and comer, but one of the top players in NA!
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
Fear799
Profile Joined January 2012
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 18:01:13
June 08 2012 17:53 GMT
#317
Sorry, but for this being an article listed on the front page of this site, someone really should have proofread/edited it. I hate to be that guy, but when I literally have to go back and re-read a sentence because it was worded poorly or just flat out made no sense on more than one occasion, this can hardly be considered a professional article.

Other than that though, really enjoyed the read and can't wait to watch the games .

Edit: Just saw that two editors were cited...not really sure what to think of that.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 08 2012 18:00 GMT
#318
hahaha I always like that Spring Arena pic

Parting: "What's for dinner"

Violet: "Dat ass"

DRG: "I must concur with Violet, that's quite an ass"

xD
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
June 08 2012 18:20 GMT
#319
On June 09 2012 02:32 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 02:31 Panthae wrote:
I think Scarlett would've deserved some honorable mention, she seems to be the korean-stomper if you look at last MLG and all I hear is that she's been practicing, ALOT.


I don't think Scarlett is attending?


So Byul, but he's still in the Power Ranking.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
June 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#320
Byul's going.
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