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jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
December 24 2010 01:36 GMT
#101
Jaedong fighting~!
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 24 2010 02:16 GMT
#102
GO JAEDONG GO!
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
December 24 2010 02:27 GMT
#103
AHHHH EEEEE JAEDONGUHHHHH!

Go JAEDONG GO!
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-24 04:39:03
December 24 2010 02:45 GMT
#104
On December 24 2010 00:50 kamikami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2010 22:08 SushilS wrote:
On December 23 2010 19:11 FuRong wrote:
Haters gonna hate, I'm not even gonna bother reading most of the posts in this thread.
I've kind of been thinking about the same questions after this whole fiasco...is this it? Considering Flash only earned the title of bonjwa after his dual Starleague win a few months ago, is this already the end of his reign? It seems improbable but possible. You can never lose the title of bonjwa once you have earned it.

There's actually hardly any hate here. Just people experiencing gladness that BW is still competitive.

Also, Flash has not officially been called Bonjwa by the Koreans yet. Both him and JD have the "requirements" to be called that, but being called bonjwa is something more than statistics. It has a lot to do with "power" and the extent & period of dominance and also a special characteristic that sets him apart as not just a progamer but something more.
Yeah, the koreans jokingly say he is God but we all know that being called bonjwa is a title not lightly bestowed.Noone has officially called him Bonjwa for the very same reason that JD during the Season of the Swarm wasn't called Bonjwa.
If absolute dominance lasts for only a single season/year then it is easy for the nay-sayers to point maps out as the reason for the dominance. However when the ABSOLUTE dominance is shown over new map-pools(e.g:Savior-Who dominated even during clearly unfavourable maps) then the case for bonjwa-ness becomes much stronger.
IMO, if Flash had shown the extent of dominance that he had shown last year this time, It would have been clear as day that the 5th Bonjwa has emerged. But no. Not yet....


What the heck are you talking about ? DES released an article after he beat Jaedong in MSL/OSL straight up calling him the 5th Bonjwa. At the same time many translators in TL confirmed that the Korean started to call him god and they generally accepted that he's bonjwa. The same happened in the foreign community with almost everyone accepted his bonjwa status and his name was added to the "bonjwa" page in liquipedia (look even a crazy Bisu/SKT fan like me accepted it). It's just common knowledge and confirmed fact that Flash is the 5th Bonjwa, but how long will he keep that title is another question.

I would suggest you ask ground-zero Korean fans whether THEY consider Flash as a Bonjwa. None of my Korean friends consider him as Bonjwa inspite of what random interviewers may say. Also the Liquipedia article has been edited.
Ask any Korean and they will tell you that if Flash had shown the same domination this year on unfavored maps then he wud have been 100% called Bonjwa, but not yet...
Also, you don't lose the title bonjwa once you gain it. Its something that will never leave you even if the AI beats you later on in life!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
December 24 2010 03:52 GMT
#105
FlaSh is... well, kinda mortal at the moment. Flamewheel, you never mentioned that, but you pretty much said it. GO ANYONE BESIDES JAEDONG!!!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
December 24 2010 04:15 GMT
#106
Lee JaeDong !!!!!!!!!!!
Power is nothing without control
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
December 24 2010 05:01 GMT
#107
I hope Fantasy wins one of these Starleagues. He's been denied so many times .
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 24 2010 05:12 GMT
#108
On December 24 2010 14:01 zerious wrote:
I hope Fantasy wins one of these Starleagues. He's been denied so many times .


Twice? Its not that much for the third silver surfer. I want to have Stork vs Fantasy rematch OR Bisu vs Fantasy.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
December 24 2010 09:15 GMT
#109
On December 24 2010 14:12 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 14:01 zerious wrote:
I hope Fantasy wins one of these Starleagues. He's been denied so many times .


Twice? Its not that much for the third silver surfer. I want to have Stork vs Fantasy rematch OR Bisu vs Fantasy.


The first stork vs fantasy was so epic, because one of them would break the curse xD

I think Jvfantasy stork or bisu would be really epic though, that would be my final of choice =3
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mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
December 24 2010 13:54 GMT
#110
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
December 24 2010 14:52 GMT
#111
On December 24 2010 11:45 SushilS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2010 00:50 kamikami wrote:
On December 23 2010 22:08 SushilS wrote:
On December 23 2010 19:11 FuRong wrote:
Haters gonna hate, I'm not even gonna bother reading most of the posts in this thread.
I've kind of been thinking about the same questions after this whole fiasco...is this it? Considering Flash only earned the title of bonjwa after his dual Starleague win a few months ago, is this already the end of his reign? It seems improbable but possible. You can never lose the title of bonjwa once you have earned it.

There's actually hardly any hate here. Just people experiencing gladness that BW is still competitive.

Also, Flash has not officially been called Bonjwa by the Koreans yet. Both him and JD have the "requirements" to be called that, but being called bonjwa is something more than statistics. It has a lot to do with "power" and the extent & period of dominance and also a special characteristic that sets him apart as not just a progamer but something more.
Yeah, the koreans jokingly say he is God but we all know that being called bonjwa is a title not lightly bestowed.Noone has officially called him Bonjwa for the very same reason that JD during the Season of the Swarm wasn't called Bonjwa.
If absolute dominance lasts for only a single season/year then it is easy for the nay-sayers to point maps out as the reason for the dominance. However when the ABSOLUTE dominance is shown over new map-pools(e.g:Savior-Who dominated even during clearly unfavourable maps) then the case for bonjwa-ness becomes much stronger.
IMO, if Flash had shown the extent of dominance that he had shown last year this time, It would have been clear as day that the 5th Bonjwa has emerged. But no. Not yet....


What the heck are you talking about ? DES released an article after he beat Jaedong in MSL/OSL straight up calling him the 5th Bonjwa. At the same time many translators in TL confirmed that the Korean started to call him god and they generally accepted that he's bonjwa. The same happened in the foreign community with almost everyone accepted his bonjwa status and his name was added to the "bonjwa" page in liquipedia (look even a crazy Bisu/SKT fan like me accepted it). It's just common knowledge and confirmed fact that Flash is the 5th Bonjwa, but how long will he keep that title is another question.

I would suggest you ask ground-zero Korean fans whether THEY consider Flash as a Bonjwa. None of my Korean friends consider him as Bonjwa inspite of what random interviewers may say. Also the Liquipedia article has been edited.
Ask any Korean and they will tell you that if Flash had shown the same domination this year on unfavored maps then he wud have been 100% called Bonjwa, but not yet...
Also, you don't lose the title bonjwa once you gain it. Its something that will never leave you even if the AI beats you later on in life!


Again you start with Flash on imba maps... Let's take a look at some race stats from his individual runs:

2009 EVER OnGameNet Starleague
TvZ: 14-18 (43.8%)
PvT: 15-13 (53.6%)

2009 NATE MBCGame Starleague
TvZ: 17-15 (53.1%)
PvT: 8-9 (47.1%)

2010 Korean Air OnGameNet StarLeague
TvZ: 27-23 (54%)
PvT: 13-12 (52%)

2010 Hana Daetoo Securities MSL
TvZ: 14-7 (66.7%)
PvT: 9-13 (40.9%)

2010 Bigfile MSL
TvZ: 22-19 (53.7%)
PvT: 4-10 (28.6%)

2010 Korean Air OnGameNet StarLeague Season 2
TvZ: 17-17 (50%)
PvT: 15-17 (46.9%)

Total:
TvZ: 111-99 (52.85%)
PvT: 64-74 (46.37%)

Now how did Flash do in all these tournies?

TvZ: 29-13 (69.05%)
TvP: 18-3 (85.71%)

Now how did the rest of the terrans do in these tournies?


TvZ: 82-86 (48.81%)
PvT: 61-56 (52.13%)

Clearly the maps were imba because other terrans not Flash did soooo well.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
December 24 2010 15:37 GMT
#112
Serious, I want to see Flash in SC2 scene!! I am so positive his skill will make it so different. So much difference...

Maybe they are 2 different game, some concept is different but I still belive he will be so much much better than others! I believe in... GOD! ahaaaa kekekeke.

Such pity, sometimes I am daydreaming is is SC2 pro. And he won GSL 1 GSL 2 GSL 3. And now is rich guy . I mean rich god.

And all other players give up, because god is in the competitive seen. How mortal compete against god? No... u cannot!

Ah... kekekeke I will go crazy.
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
December 24 2010 17:57 GMT
#113
Flash losing is my best belated Xmas present ever =).
RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
December 24 2010 18:19 GMT
#114
Agh.. Flash nooo!! Now for me it must be, Jaedong, or maybe Bisu who wins this thing. I would be very happy if Bisu won.
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
everstarleague
Profile Joined December 2009
China89 Posts
December 25 2010 04:14 GMT
#115
Don't worry, it is not abnormal in this very tournament, because Flash's tvt is not very dominant, for his game style is very normal and natural with no one in his eyes, so vulture could do much harm to his eyes. In OSL, the map directly result in his lose to kal. Flash is still the strongest and the talent.

In upcoming winner-league, I think Flash will crush down every team with at least 5 all kill and then get at least 30wins. In next msl, he still could directly get into mst, and still in the osl 36r, that's enough, as long as he is not left into the hell netbar, he still a god.
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
December 25 2010 07:17 GMT
#116
HwaseungOz_Jaedong GOGOGOGO
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
December 25 2010 11:15 GMT
#117
I can't believe someone removed Flash from the Bonjwa page when official sources confirmed his status. (in many interviews)

Q With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status.
A Receiving a title like that is quite an honor but compared to the players who rose to that level before, I think I’m still lacking. Though it’s nice if fans call me that, I still think “Ultimate Weapon” is better and more appropriate for me right now.

It's just stupid that we decide that he is not Bonjwa because SushilS asked 1 no-name Korean (he said that in the liquidpedia page) and the guy didn't think that he is Bonjwa while professional analyzers and the media has already confirmed his status.
Khassar de Templari
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
December 25 2010 13:44 GMT
#118
On December 25 2010 20:15 kamikami wrote:
I can't believe someone removed Flash from the Bonjwa page when official sources confirmed his status. (in many interviews)

Q With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status.
A Receiving a title like that is quite an honor but compared to the players who rose to that level before, I think I’m still lacking. Though it’s nice if fans call me that, I still think “Ultimate Weapon” is better and more appropriate for me right now.

It's just stupid that we decide that he is not Bonjwa because SushilS asked 1 no-name Korean (he said that in the liquidpedia page) and the guy didn't think that he is Bonjwa while professional analyzers and the media has already confirmed his status.


Funny how he disappeared after I showed that his only leg to stand on ("imba maps") fell through. It's sad that he would go to liquipedia and remove Flash and act as if someone else did it.
zeyan12
Profile Joined December 2010
1 Post
Last Edited: 2010-12-28 06:08:06
December 28 2010 06:08 GMT
#119
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
Mindflow
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)320 Posts
December 29 2010 03:41 GMT
#120
thx for the read
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