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On June 18 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:22 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here) This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing. One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check" one day It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy. Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it. if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum. Seriously? Maybe because if we do what you say we lynch a townie, mafia survives a day and in the best case the real cop gets outed on top of it. Seems like a very good trade off compared to just going down without all of that. In cases like this there is often an uncontested wagon on mafia. Why do I have to explain basics like this... Wait. "If we do what you say we lynch a townie." - TMI. "Mafia survives a day." And how is it the best case if the real cop gets outed for town? This sentence only makes sense from mafia perspective.
Also no, this sentence makes sense from any perspective
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On June 18 2017 07:37 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:35 disformation wrote:
i am not discrediting you.
i am telling you to use your head and look at xata and decide if you believe him to be cop. I don't believe for a second that he's copbut I'm not lynching a claim over a red check. There's always the possibility that it's just bad town.
This is potentially the scummiest thing said today.
I've already been over this: if Xata is scum, disformation is basically confirmed town through vote analysis. If we lynch disformation and Xata is mafia, we basically kill someone who was gonna be confirmed town.
Grow some gonads. If you don't believe him "for a second", fucking lynch him.
Why the hell would the real cop CC the obvious lynch who's most likely scum even before this claim shenanigan? Only a shit cop would cc today.
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Every time I play a game with btdt he always goes full emo mode where he gets his feelings hurt and the just flames people for days. Then apologizes and gets town read for it.
Let's wait for that apology in three days
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I mean I can't believe he wants us to lynch the cop tomorrow and not today
+ Show Spoiler +fuck omg tmi slip rip sorry mafia qt
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On June 18 2017 07:53 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:52 darthfoley wrote:
Every time I play a game with btdt he always goes full emo mode where he gets his feelings hurt and the just flames people for days. Then apologizes and gets town read for it.
Let's wait for that apology in three days Except this time, I'm not even mad. I found two scummers. And I get flamed, I'm not the one flaming here.
Well I'll gladly trade one cop for two mafia. If Xata flips cop you have done your job and found another mafia!! 
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On June 18 2017 07:50 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:49 disformation wrote:
go ahead lynch me.
but promise to send me a picture of your face when i flip green. I love how this implies that I'm town not knowing your alignment super lovely tmi
So you don't believe Xatalos's claim for a second but you also believ disformation is mafia.
Damn, looks like you got THREE mafia in one fell swoop!
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On June 18 2017 07:55 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:54 darthfoley wrote:I mean I can't believe he wants us to lynch the cop tomorrow and not today + Show Spoiler +fuck omg tmi slip rip sorry mafia qt This is a quality post that leverages the discussion to a whole new level. Very contributive. <3
I've done more this game than you and 8 other people combined. Very contributive indeed <3
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Guys BTDT has found three mafia in 30 minutes.
All hail btdt!
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Anyways I'm glad ruXxar and I baited people into becoming active in the thread. We got like three whole pages off of one sicklucker vote
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On June 18 2017 07:59 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:57 darthfoley wrote:
Guys BTDT has found three mafia in 30 minutes.
All hail btdt! So you know how I react when I get tilted and keep working on tilting me good job
Not my fault you get tilted.
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On June 18 2017 07:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:56 darthfoley wrote:On June 18 2017 07:55 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 18 2017 07:54 darthfoley wrote:I mean I can't believe he wants us to lynch the cop tomorrow and not today + Show Spoiler +fuck omg tmi slip rip sorry mafia qt This is a quality post that leverages the discussion to a whole new level. Very contributive. <3 I've done more this game than you and 8 other people combined. Very contributive indeed <3 Yeah, currently you're working on getting the cop lynched, that's very good!
So now you believe his claim enough to call him the cop.
This is also coming from the guy who voted off-wagon D1 on a confirmed super town Koshi
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On June 18 2017 08:01 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 07:58 darthfoley wrote:
Anyways I'm glad ruXxar and I baited people into becoming active in the thread. We got like three whole pages off of one sicklucker vote I don't know if ruxxar really did this intentionally.
I think he did. His bullshit accusation of me EoN was also planned. This doesn't make him Town tho
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I just can't believe cop!Xata doesn't claim anytime yesterday. He didn't even put up a fight in the showdown. Someone please tell me of a cop who 1) didn't claim in a heated 1v1 AND 2) didn't fight like hell to survive the 1v1.
If Xatalos had done #2 without #1, I could see his play. But doing neither and then claiming cop with a red check on disformation right after a few of us say disformation is spewed town by mafia!Xatalos is pretty rich
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He also hasn't put in any effort today to clear his name or give reads. This is the most mafia claim of all time
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Plus I'm biased because I want to be right. I sniffed this guy out within 2 pages of filter D1 and I want Koshi and HF to praise me post game. So there's my ulterior motive.
And if we lynch cop then I don't get the praise but we still get a mafia. Win-win!
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The real question is, does mafia!Xata spew btdt town? Cuz I can't imagine a mafia sticking their necks out this far for a doomed teammate. Unless he's an important role, or if btdt saw potential in me and ruXxar showing doubt.
WIFOM!
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Also btdt calling Eversince's post "very good" while simultaneously saying disformation is mafia and Xatalos is cop.
So many contradictions in 3 pages
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On June 18 2017 07:29 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote:
Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia.
I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time. Obviously believes that the risk of being mis-lynched/shot N1 was worth it for the complete 'chance' to hit the lottery with Disfo mafia result. Ok, let's see what he does with it. -- Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:30 Xatalos wrote:
One Miller already flipped so I suppose there could be another. Still, the odds are heavily in the favor of disfo being scum. The next post, "possibilty if Disfo's not scum though"? Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:42 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 17 2017 19:33 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:31 Chezitwo wrote:
Sadly it could be more believable if you weren't the designated lynch, Mr. Xatalos. Well, I'm already dead by N2 regardless. I'm content even if disfo gets lynched tomorrow - of course today would be preferable so scum would use a kill on me instead. Heres the thing. Lynching you and having you flip as either alignment is going to give us more information than disfo flipping as scum. Does it really? If disfo flips scum (very likely), then I die N2, it seems like the optimal situation info-wise. Even if I'm lying, it'd be apparent soon enough so makes no difference for vote information. In any case it's not too bad even if I do get lynched now I guess.]/red] "If Disfo flips scum" Again with this trying to distance from the fact that Disfo might actually not be scum. Second bit is even more damning. If you are a un-cced cop why the hell would you use previous arguement "i didn't want scum to shoot me N1" if you are just going to make let the town waste the mis-lynch on you (Who you should be screaming yourself confirmed town) STILL? "Oh, I didn't want mafia to shoot me, but if town mis-lynches me as long as they still lynch my check tomorrow it's ok." Like wtf? Instead we get 1 dead cop at lynch. Then we get two dead townies in N2. Instead of one dead scum at lynch. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 disformation wrote:
mh actually i dont think a framer would frame me.
or a cop would check me over like tw or one of the inactives. Yea I'd think the only realistic option would be that you're a second unaware Miller if you're town. Usually there's 2 of them from what I've seen. The odds are low though, like 10% or less. So I'm content our best bet is to just lynch you. More like 1:19 odds. So less than 5%. "I'm CONTENT"?? Why the hell are you not yelling from the mountain tops that this dude is scum yet? Why do you ignore the fact that you claim a vig would be better off shooting into the in-actives to hopefully hit mafia blind. But you just "had a hunch because Disfo voted you" so you didn't check one of the '?' marks yourself with your check. Harder to call in-actives mafia than someone half the thread has at somepoint thought about the possibilty of him being scum? Nah, let's ignore that though. You didn't mind if you died first? Would that have been the same if you missed mafia here? You would still be #1 lynch today. Followed with this: Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:56 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:53 disformation wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. nonoonno you always shoot the close counterwagon to scum. you cop check the inactives. hard to read. low volumes. Not really. The lurky players are just a detriment at LYLO anyway, so it's better to kill them off immediately. Whereas somewhat active,[red] but not widely townread players are likely to live until LYLO but it's often hard to tell their alignment so checking is optimal. So you know there is a possibilty of you dying N1, You are 100% dead N2. Better check the active guy we could figure out by lylo instead of the players you just said would need checking. Yep, that makes perfect sense. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 19:59 Xatalos wrote:
But other than that, it's quite unlikely we're both town I agree. Disfo still not actually mafia in this guys head. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?
technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff
I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case. I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way. Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky. I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead. So, are you going to solve the game today? Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious. Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what. Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy. Again we get a dead cop, mafia get to shoot whoever instead of us getting to aim there shot. But no that's better than lynching mafia today forcing some of their kp onto you tonight. Screw it if there is a doctor somewhere you might actually even live! But "it's ok, town totally lynch me first" is the scummiest thing I've read in a while. Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 20:29 Xatalos wrote:On June 17 2017 20:23 ruXxar wrote:
Meh, I think I'm going to pack it up and and get me some fresh air.
I think todays lynch is pretty much set in stone.
It's up to the mafia to try and turn the tides. It is actually surprisingly fine with me. I'm so dead regardless that a small boost to victory odds by tonnes of effort doesn't seem hugely appealing. If that's what we decide, then so be it. That being said, I'm in the unique position of knowing that disfo is already scum, so I'll most likely look at things and try to solve the scumteam from that perspective later tonight when I have more time again. This guy doesn't even believe his own claim. Disfo's not mafia, and this crap claim is just trying to de-rail the arguement and push one more mis-lynch before he dies This is much is plainly obvious. ##vote: Xatalos
Quoting for rayn/other lazy people's sake
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Idk if btdt is scum. SL is probably still gonna flip scum
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On June 18 2017 08:18 Chezitwo wrote:
I will reiterate that BTDT being obstinant and defending Xatalos is not scummy.
That's how I feel currently
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