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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 04:19 GMT
#2181
Almost certainly one scum between disformation and skynx. The other four votes on Xata (including me) are town... and three of them are dead. Think we should see whether either one of Skynx/dis were giving themselves wiggle room to hammer annul if things got hairy with Xata. This point only really matters if Xata is mafia though.

We can talk in a few hours
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 12:50 GMT
#2307
On June 17 2017 19:28 Xatalos wrote:
Eh. I haven't been able to really keep up with the game so well up to this point, so I'll just say it: I'm the Cop and I decided to check disfo last night. He returned Mafia.

I was so close to claiming Cop several times last EOD, but managed to barely hold it in, because I wanted to use my power at least once. Luckily it paid off big time.


Well this is pretty major league bullshit but let's pretend like it could be legit I guess
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 12:57 GMT
#2311
On June 17 2017 20:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 20:02 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:55 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:51 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:42 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:40 Xatalos wrote:
On June 17 2017 19:35 disformation wrote:
got any crumbs?
why claim so early in the game and not try to case me to get more info/reactions before claiming midday?

technically i suppose it is not impossible for there to be a framer or some stuff


I suppose you could theoretically be another unaware Miller, or there could even be a Framer role. The odds aren't good at all though in either case.

I didn't make any posts on the purpose of claiming my check (or role), since there are always risks. I think my play has been very similar to how I played as Cop last time though (including the EOD D1 events) - can't remember the name now but I can dig it up. Didn't really crumb there either, but my checks were successes either way.

Weren't people calling for a vigshot on you? I did not read very closely yesterday but I seem to remember it this way. Seems more than just risky.


I suppose it wasn't impossible I might have been shot. It wasn't for sure there even was a Vig though, and no way in hell would scum shoot me, and the optimal Vig shot would have been more in the direction of the AFK lurkers than just killing for info, so I wasn't too worried. If I had claimed / crumbed noticeably in the night, the odds of being shot/roleblocked would have increased instead.

So, are you going to solve the game today?

Because you put us in a very inconvenient position. Your claim is very suspicious.


Worst comes to worst, disfo is just a free lynch D3. I don't terribly mind that outcome since I'm dying soon no matter what.

Considering that, I think I'll have some time today to read the game so I can try to leave a legacy.


I'm thinking that if you had a red check, you wouldn't give up this easily and be so calm about it.
You should be kicking and screaming all the way to the gallows.

Like, a cop is a HUGE asset to town. You were so close to getting lynched yesterday, yet you made no effort to even change the tide of the votes, know that you could play a critical role in winning this for us.

My feeling is that if you were a cop, you would have put in way more effort yesterday to get out of a near lynch situation.


Basically my thoughts as well. No way if I were cop and I was the LEADING WAGON until 5 minutes before flip would I

1. Basically not defend myself
2. Not hint or claim or be active during the night when Koshi/Hf/myself were calling for vigi to shoot you.

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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:09 GMT
#2317
On June 17 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 21:58 disformation wrote:
since ppl brought up that it would be fairly odd if not at least 1 guy tried to get some cred by bussing which is a decent thought


It's exceptionally unlikely.

If you are mafia and Ruxxar town though it would make sense that mafia skynx pinged Ruxxar at the start of D1 for +1ing your post.

I'm not on Xatalos autolynch btw. You will have to convince me you are town.
I'll be gone grilling for most of the day so you won't have to endure me for much longer.


Yea on the one hand it feels bad to autolynch and un-cc cop. But on the other hand, if I were cop, would I really want to out myself and probably get RB/Mafia vigi or whatever they have just to hammer someone who is flailing and needs a major play to save himself? Idk.

I just think it's unlikely that cop!Xata DOESNT say anything near EoD when he's leading wagon until 5 min before deadline AND doesn't say anything during the night to try to get a vigi shot off him. The most believable part of the claim is who he checked: disformation.

I really doubt they're both mafia together because of the voting point already mentioned. If Xata had red checked someone in the PoE like sicklucker or ES or even ruXxar, I would be more suspicious
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:10 GMT
#2319
If Xata flips mafia I feel like Skynx is basically confirmed mafia
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:11 GMT
#2321
If Xata flips cop/Town somehow I think there's a very good chance ruXxar is mafia as well as disformation
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:16 GMT
#2328
It also makes sense from mafia!Xatalos POV to red check disformation. We've already pointed out that if Xata flips scum, disformation is almost surely cleared as Town. Notice how the claim comes after ruXxar's post iirc.

So, you red check someone who will be confirmed town if you die first. If we lynch disformation first, we basically waste a lynch on a confirmed town (in the world that Xata is mafia).

Also couple that with the fact a dumb cop might CC Xat instinctively and I'm left with a pretty optimal fake claim play by someone who was already going to die. Why not go 1-1 with confirmed town/cop if you can?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:19 GMT
#2332
Also if Xat gets lynched first and flips mafia, I'm basically confirmed town as well. So why not fake claim if both me and disformation would be spewed town by your death?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 13:20 GMT
#2333
I'm content with lynching Xata into disformation if need be ATM
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 15:17 GMT
#2356
Hopefully it's as simple as Xata into SL.

Also why the fuck is this game dead when there's 19 people alive lol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 16:34 GMT
#2366
On June 18 2017 01:30 disformation wrote:
also note how xata has avoided giving any reads so far.
you may call me out for not being very conclusive, but at least im trying to look at stuff.


Pretty sure he's just scum who doesn't want to further incriminate his teammates tbh
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 19:02 GMT
#2376
On June 18 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote:
OOHHHHHHHH that's why everyone is voting xata


No. We've been voting Xata since D1 lynch
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 19:03 GMT
#2377
RuXxar is either a friendly townsperson ke the biggest buddier in mafia history lol
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 19:53 GMT
#2381
On June 18 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good thing we kill Xata

bye


Nice, thanks for your input.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 20:36 GMT
#2384
It's sad to think there's like 10 town not doing jack shit in this entire game
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 21:15 GMT
#2391
On June 18 2017 06:00 beentheredonethat wrote:
Wait he claimed cop?


And a red check on disformation.

Maybe an SL lynch is safer
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 22:22 GMT
#2423
On June 18 2017 07:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:02 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
There won't be a cc hopefully. There'll simply be a red check on disformation and a scum guy lynched.

And if not, we lynch Xata. If the cop cc's, he's probably dead. Cop shouldn't cc here. But I always prefer lynching the check over the claim.

"If disfo is scum we can always lynch him later."
No? This is so wrong.



It's not wrong.
if disfo is lock scum, we can just leave him for last while we take out the others.

You're leaving scum alive who potentially is a scum power role AND who can vote AND who can derail the thread?

cool bra


How can he derail the thread if we know he's mafia?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 22:23 GMT
#2426
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?


Great q
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 22:30 GMT
#2435
On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo

yep.


So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 17 2017 22:40 GMT
#2456
On June 18 2017 07:32 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:30 darthfoley wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:25 beentheredonethat wrote:
##vote Chezitwo

yep.


So now you're voting outside of the cop/red check that you just told us to lynch

Yeah but I found scum :>


But cop!Xata found us confirmed scum!!
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