On June 22 2017 07:05 Eversince wrote:Grack: I'm going to piggy back Rux's case because he brings up some of the same points. Read his here:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 20 2017 21:07 ruXxar wrote:Lynch grack:
RuxxarDisformation
Vivax
Darthfoley
FecalFeastVayneAuthority
Skynx
Rayn
Eversince
ChezitwoSicklucker
No opinion on grack:Palmar
BeentheredonethatBlazinghand
Thinks grack is town:Tumblewood
RelsPeople voting for grack(automatic town pile for today):Ruxxar
Fefe
Chezitwo
Beentheredonethat
The grack case posted from earlier
+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2017 21:39 Vivax wrote:
Since you seem bored.
Can you explain why you think Grack is mafia?
Sure!
Let's start with the obvious:
1) He hammers the town lynch.
On June 16 2017 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:
##Vote: Annul
At the point of this vote, the votes are 5 on annul, 5 on xatalos.
Grackaroni pushes it over the edge with this vote to 6-5 in favor of annul.
2) He doesn't try to solve the game.
How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:
DF:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also
##vote ruxxar Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also
##vote ruxxar Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
who do you think is scum?
I'm
kinda looking at you tbh.
On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also
##vote ruxxar Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also
##vote ruxxar Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
who do you think is scum?
I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
Look at me as much as you like, but why?
I'm
mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.
Disfo:
On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.
HF:
On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.
On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.
Annul
seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.
It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.
I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.
Palmar:
On June 19 2017 03:36 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Ill figure out why we're all so happy together tomorrow
Where've you been PALMAR?
Scummy scum scum.
"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.
It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
And thats the total effort he's put into scumhunting the whole game.
So we've already established he doesn't push on his scum reads. Going to repeat a few things for formatting:
Show nested quote +Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.
It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.
I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.
Implying that townies don't tunnel eachother. Hehehe, please. HF/Koshi/Rayn, ringing any bells? Vivax tunneling on me all game? *I know I'm not flipped yet. But I also know I'm town.* Townies tunnel on eachother ALL the time!
Doesn't persue this.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Xatalos was pretty meh. I legitimately don't think he has been any more meh than disfo. The one scum game I remember from him he played a very aggressive style.
Regardless that Disfo has already set an activity standard that will be hard to manage if he's mafia, you want to lynch him over Xata? Because meta says Xata's not playing what you remember his scum game to be? Doesn't persue either of these reads anyway.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.
Remember that town tunnels ALL the time thing I just mentioned a few paragraphs ago? It's a thing. Also pay attention to the HF read here. Hf is the only person who Grack thinks is anything more than a "meh".
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 07:48 disformation wrote:
grack comment on the ninja?
not complaining though.
have a hell of a hard time decicing between annul and xata
I don't have much to say beyond what I've said decently in my filter. Annul seems like a better lynch than Xatalos to me. HF push on SL seems a lot more agenda driven than HF believing he has a bulletproof case.
Conclusion: Annul must be mafia because town
never ever ever tunnel. Xata isn't mafia because meta. HF, the only person he actually thinks is mafia in this picture, is completely ignored. Aside from the recognition of the fact HF is pushing SL for the exact reason he said he was.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 07:55 Holyflare wrote:
there is no fucking way that after 2-3 years of playing with sicklucker and him calling my meta to a T every single game that he randomly just backtracks and says it's something else and then pushes me as mafia with it
Since when is pushing newbies your scum meta. You'll push whoever you find scummy/think you can push.
Mafia will push whoever they think they can. SL doesn't agree with that, says HF pushes active town/leaders. HF finds that very questionable. Grack points out the flaw of logic himself, but thinks HF is scum pushing an agenda on SL. Also giving him the excuse "no Xata cuz scum HF choice #2" Convenient?
TW:
Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them
This is silly when followed with:
Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them
Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim.
They are more likely town if SL is mafia.
or what do you mean?
believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim
Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 00:22 Tumblewood wrote:
hmm i guess "i randomly generated [the check]" doesn't totally exclude the possibility of sl as a role that gets to check someone pregame. but that is like 2% chance territory so i won't worry about it too much
Town has no way of knowing in the first place so at best nai? Mafia without setup knowledge have no way of knowing. Town SL could throw that claim out. He'll be mostly laughed at for it (exactly what happened) The only way TW would know the 100% validity of SL's claim either way is if TW is mafia and I'm either on the team(making it pluasible) or not(100%Fake). Even if Disfo, Rux, and myself where mafia we still couldn't know the validity of SL's claim 100% unless we knew the setup.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 09:58 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn's rage post left a bad impression on me, i think the townreads for that are unwarranted. i don't know how to explain it exactly but his rage posts were more... focused, i think, when he was town, and this one was more rambling. like he decided to be angry about something and never changed the tone for the other parts.
Lazy scum read on Rayn with no follow up.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 14:17 Tumblewood wrote:
lazy townread for vivax for trying to "protect" his way of reading xata
This post implies that he's tr Xata too.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote:
i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking:
rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order)
are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1
preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks
This list does not though. Lynch Rayn for fake rage or policy lynch.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 05:28 Tumblewood wrote:On June 16 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
You guys should be lynching sicklucker though. When was the last time he:
A) Cared about a day 1 lynch.
B) Pushed his read day 1 and wants to lead a wagon.
+he doesn't even know what Xatalos has actually posted and instead said he posted unconventional reads so is town, which isn't true in the slightest.
Feel free to join this wagon. Only the pros need apply.
##vote sicklucker are u voting sl for doing things?
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 05:30 Tumblewood wrote:On June 16 2017 05:29 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 05:28 Tumblewood wrote:On June 16 2017 05:22 Holyflare wrote:On June 16 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
You guys should be lynching sicklucker though. When was the last time he:
A) Cared about a day 1 lynch.
B) Pushed his read day 1 and wants to lead a wagon.
+he doesn't even know what Xatalos has actually posted and instead said he posted unconventional reads so is town, which isn't true in the slightest.
Feel free to join this wagon. Only the pros need apply.
##vote sicklucker are u voting sl for doing things?
You know it.
i cam understand it but i don't think that makes him mafia at all
Other than SL screamings "I'm so town and he's so scum" What exactly was SL doing by now? The fact that HF responds with "You know it" and you can understand? If you thought SL was doing townie things just man up and say "that's stinks like yesterdays fish" Or at least "SL pushing his top scum read is mafia how?" Instead it's super soft defense "I get it but he's not mafia at all" Implying his town read is not that strong.
Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 05:34 Tumblewood wrote:On June 16 2017 05:32 Vivax wrote:
I'm really just fed up with everyone doing their own thing then a bunch of derpies coming in and hurr, yolo vote this yolo vote that and not care about trying to build up a bit of unity in the town.
Or DF who thinks hes entitled to ask me questions but apparently doesn't want to read my filter and engage.
So I'm just going to sheep HF, maybe rayn, maybe Palmar depending on who cares the most or something like that.
As long as it looks like there's a train of ppl and not just a bunch of solitary ones in little bubbles.
trying but i can't force myself to have opinions on any of the boring ass fights people keep ragging on
This post just says I'm trying but I'm not trying.
Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:
notes after reading like 10 pages:
i like ever's case on pg 101. so df and rux are 98% town
ruxxar continues to be weird and inane - fundamentally not getting the power dynamic. [ACTUALLY his later stuff is solid vote analysis]
i like that one rels post on pg 106
sl is insane town. egotistic in an sl sort of way
SL gets an 'insane town' placement for being egotistical? I get it, gone for 2 days basically. But why not post more than a single sentense especially when you come out with basically calling 3 people confirmed town. What did he like about my case? What did he like about Rux's analysis? What did he like about Rels post? This post asked more questions than it answers.
Show nested quote +On June 18 2017 14:45 Tumblewood wrote:
no way am i believing for a second cop has a redcheck on disfo. and even if he does, no cop ever has been this concerned about unaware millers
Because wondering about millers is the only part about Xata's claim that is questionable. Why did he feel the need to include "if he does"? This is the laziest way to try to distance yourself. The claim was so trash.
Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 14:23 Tumblewood wrote:
oh dear i have eliminated much less than i thought. fuck, i was hoping to coast this game, but now i have to sift through like 10 names
I wish it wouldn't take
entire cycles for TW to post responses. Because this is now the third time TW has popped in, said some useless or questionable things, and then high tailed it as fast as possible.
EPT
