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Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:26 GMT
#4756
Like, I get the feeling that Rayn is trying to poke little holes in the accusations against SL where he can and is completely ignoring the rest. His agenda is not to investigate Mr. Sickluckers alignment but to deflect negative attention away from him.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:29 GMT
#4757
On June 23 2017 03:25 disformation wrote:
well wasnt that one of the main points?
cause imo the main points where:
1) he pushed annul super hard with a real bad tr on xata
2) he had xata as "not necessarily" scum at the start of the night

2) makes you look badish when xata flips, scum doesnt like

I summarized my main points a while ago and it doesn't have anything to do with this except for the fact that I put a lot of stock into players like HF being absolutely convinced that SL is mafia.

2) Looks like a quite scummy read progression, yes. But often times scummy read progressions just come from scum.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:32 GMT
#4760
On June 23 2017 03:29 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2017 23:49 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 22 2017 23:22 disformation wrote:
@chez:
why are you scumreading sl again?

He is not towny. Town!SL often uses bullshit logic but he usually arrives at decent conclusions. Yet he is pushing this town in a very bad direction without ever reevaluating. Rels brought good stuff up yesterday and also during the night. HF was extremely convinced SL is mafia and I very much respect his reads.

so it kinda boils down to meta and sl's agenda?
mnuch of the stuff from yesterday was from hf/the stuff we were talking about just now imo.
or did i forget something?

Yes, this is what it boils down to. Static reads that make no sense and are clearly mafia agenda driven while not playing his townmeta.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:34 GMT
#4762
On June 23 2017 03:31 disformation wrote:
as i said earlier.
i feel like one of you is trying to convince me that sl is scum and the other is trying to convince me that sl is town.
and i have a really really hard time figuring out who is right

This really shouldn't be very hard. What business does rayn have defending SL all game? We are talking about a really inquisitive player who likes to analyze people who blindly defends another player instead of ever actually questioning him.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:43 GMT
#4765
On June 22 2017 09:49 Rels wrote:
so let's recap. In SL words, Grack's flip means all the people in annul's wagon got statiscally more scum.

ruxxar was on annul. He pushed Grack today, who was on annul's wagon, and is scumreading at least me who was also in the wagon. Maybe others too.

Rels was on annul. He pushed SL today, who was on annul's wagon, and is scumreading ruxxar who was also in the wagon.

BUT Rels is 90% scum and ruxxar is 100% town.

This and the stuff leading up to it is quite a good point by Rels and it also shows nicely how little SL actually cares about thinking about peoples alignments while continuously pushing the same mafia targets without ever reevaluating.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 18:48 GMT
#4769
On June 23 2017 03:45 disformation wrote:
yeah i think sl explained multiple times that the last 3 on the wagon have the hghest chance for scum?

That's not what he said there. He was talking about everyone on annul.
Additionally there is also the stuff where SL claims everyone voting him is mafia saving grack and then once grack flips town the same people still are mafia to him without any second thought whatsoever.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:11 GMT
#4771
On June 23 2017 03:55 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 03:45 disformation wrote:
yeah i think sl explained multiple times that the last 3 on the wagon have the hghest chance for scum?

That's not what he said there. He was talking about everyone on annul.
Additionally there is also the stuff where SL claims everyone voting him is mafia saving grack and then once grack flips town the same people still are mafia to him without any second thought whatsoever.

isnt his stuff based on:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 22:34 sicklucker wrote:
On June 18 2017 18:18 Vivax wrote:
If Xata flips indeed scum.

On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 1


annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar , Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare


I'm believing it's really simple and this is mafia.



i think your right about the logic wrong about the people. but ill get to that in a second.

Heres the vote count when I started the annul train. Notice xata is not really at a very high risk of being lynched at this time. The argument that I am mafia for pushing a wagon to save him is false as koshi was the leading wagon at the time and he flipped town. If I was truly mafia trying to save xata why do I not vote koshi. Why do I start a completely new wagon instead of joining one that is already started and has commited votes? Why do I take the longest road to complete my task.

No I am just a town that thought I found mafia. In a close vote between my target and a mafia many mafia saw the opportunity to save there team mate but it was not the people who started the wagon it was the people at the end of it.

On June 16 2017 02:09 Half the Sky wrote:
Vote Count - Day 1


Koshi (5): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivax
ruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax
Xatalos (3): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (1): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewood
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood
sicklucker (1): Palmar
Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynx
beentheredonethat (0): Koshi
Eversince (0): sicklucker

Not voted (8): Rels, Damdred, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Koshi out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.




these guys are more likely the mafia this is the correct way to use vote logic my friend

On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 1


annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, , rels, grackoni,, eversince ,
Xatalos (6):
darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare
sicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax
Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivax
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood
Skynx (1): VayneAuthority
ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annul
Tumblewood (0): ruXxar
Palmar (0): sicklucker
raynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, Tumblewood
Palmar (0): Koshi, Skynx
beentheredonethat (0): Koshi
Eversince (0): sicklucker

Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity

Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



I doubt its all four but those four have the highest percentage to be mafia in the game not me.

?

thought there was one with more explanation. cant seem to find it atm.

No, that post was ages ago and last night SL boasted about how since grack was not mafia everyone else on the annul train has a very high chance of being mafia while also casually throwing a 100 % townread on ruxxar.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:25 GMT
#4773
On June 22 2017 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
ruxxar is definitely town rels regardless of are alignments

On June 22 2017 09:31 sicklucker wrote:
it dont matter if were both mafia 1 mafia both town ruxxar is always going to be town...

On June 22 2017 09:38 sicklucker wrote:
we have to look on the plus side. we know some mafia have to have voted annul. getting grack out of the picture just narrows that down. If you guys can properly conclude I just thought annul was mafia rather then being an opportunistic mafia then were in a great spot.

Rels if your actually town you gotta get on board with this logic and lynch everyone on that lynch but me

All in response to Rels.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:28 GMT
#4774
It's quite clear that this is not a natural thought process and instead agenda driven. I also wonder how we know that some mafia have voted annul.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:31 GMT
#4775
It is not impossible that SL is the only mafia left on the annul wagon. And even if he isn't it is highly unlikely that the whole mafia team is on that wagon.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:34 GMT
#4777
On June 23 2017 04:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
are we aware who you are chezitwo or is that a secret smurf?

I don't think you are aware but I did not really try to hide my identity. Won't tell you either though.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:40 GMT
#4782
On June 23 2017 04:36 disformation wrote:
well. isnt the base premise that give on the vc there is likely scum on that wagon.
it is also more likely that scum is on the middle or end of that wagon.
he doesnt think ruxxar is scum.
so?

yes if there is no scum on the end of that wagon sl and/or ruxxar are setting up a bunch of mls

The ruxxar thing is just an example for the fact that he isn't thinking about alignments at all. I have no idea why you think it is more likely for scum to be at the middle or end of that wagon. That seems like bullshit to me.

Setting up mislynches is what SL has been doing all game depending on Rels alignment. Apart from him he wanted/wants to lynch annul, grack and me. Never waivered or reevaluated those reads. All town.
And I currently have no reason to think it isn't the same with Rels.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 19:41 GMT
#4784
On June 23 2017 04:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 04:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
are we aware who you are chezitwo or is that a secret smurf?

I don't think you are aware but I did not really try to hide my identity. Won't tell you either though.

Palmar?

Yes. How did you find out I am playing on 2 accounts simultaneously? You are hard to fool man.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 21:09 GMT
#4798
On June 23 2017 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:
So what, is the premise that the last minute switches onto Grack from SL an attempt by scum to save SL?

The problem with this logic is gracks behaviour which could be interpreted as mafia giving up. Which sucks a lot because otherwise the lynch might have been more contested in the end.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 21:14 GMT
#4801
On June 23 2017 06:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2017 06:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 23 2017 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:
So what, is the premise that the last minute switches onto Grack from SL an attempt by scum to save SL?

The problem with this logic is gracks behaviour which could be interpreted as mafia giving up. Which sucks a lot because otherwise the lynch might have been more contested in the end.

hmm, on the other hand it's possible scum got onto the grack wagon in the middle as well. This would allow them to increase the wagon size and protect SL (operating on the SL-as-scum theory) without outing themselves hard by diving on the end to save SL.

Alternatively, if we think that town ALSO had motivation to jump on Grack at the end, it's plausible that some scum also snuck in with town

Thank you captain obvious.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 21:22 GMT
#4814
On June 23 2017 06:20 Rels wrote:
oh yeah while we're talking about ruxxar. The most obtuse dude ever. Each time I imagine the possiblity of him being town I think about all these posts where he shows NO will to ever consider he could be wrong. So solid in his mind. It's not a town mind. And it's not even his meta. I had really good memories of playing my first games with ruxxar and he was not like that.

Tell me about it.

The thing is that people like that are town most of the time. It's very hard to pull off as mafia.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 21:24 GMT
#4816
And yet I am also far from certain ruxxar is town...
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 21:35 GMT
#4824
Yeah Palmar is really disappointing. Unless he rolled survivor or some shit like that. I would expect him to do more as town or mafia.
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:01 GMT
#4850
lol nice
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 22 2017 23:01 GMT
#4852
The most definitely rolecopped him.
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