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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 15:42 GMT
#289
On February 17 2016 00:36 Palmar wrote:
I am not here anymore so you'll have to wait until later

Can I bait you with virtual cheese its?
[image loading]
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 16:01 GMT
#290
Oh Millers are Aware, and says so on the OP.........I am a Idiot.
Let me read my Role PM actually XD.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 16:16 GMT
#291
...XD
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 16:46 GMT
#295
Kush gave a read? Half tempted to scum read him for it since last game he decided to not tell me his reads.

So if I was scum and he was town last game. That would mean I am town and kush is scum...Would it not Kush?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 16:49 GMT
#296
Oooo its not a read. Just options under a red, bolded, label. Makes sense.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 17:04 GMT
#301
On February 17 2016 02:00 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 01:46 Shapelog wrote:
Kush gave a read? Half tempted to scum read him for it since last game he decided to not tell me his reads.

So if I was scum and he was town last game. That would mean I am town and kush is scum...Would it not Kush?


I don't follow.

Got you ^.^
[image loading]
Point to where your scum buddies and I lynch you last.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 17:17 GMT
#304
On February 17 2016 02:14 Tumblewood wrote:
Shapelog, why are you trying so hard to make reads based off of little evidence? Like your meta-read on me based off of one game

For you, I have a slight town read b/c you are different. A course I am still am up in the air and it will change as you post. Such is the way of mafia.
For Kush, I might be trolling <3
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 17:18 GMT
#305
On February 17 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote:
EBWOP: and only threeposts

Compare your 3 posts vs. your 3 posts from The Newbie.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 17:27 GMT
#307
Kush what do you think about everything else other than Palmar and SL? Anything sticks out etc.?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 17:56 GMT
#309
On February 17 2016 02:49 nooniansoong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 02:27 Shapelog wrote:
Kush what do you think about everything else other than Palmar and SL? Anything sticks out etc.?


If I had an answer to this question that I thought was worth sharing, I would have shared it already.
If you have something specific you want to ask me to help you figure out my alignment or because you value my opinion, feel free to ask.

I always Value your opinion, you are my first mate after all! What do you think of the whole Eden Vs. Trofl situation?
Also what is your opinion/read on Rated R-Girl? I cannot understand a single thing in her filter and I am pretty sure you have played with her before.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 18:06 GMT
#311
On February 17 2016 03:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 02:22 nooniansoong wrote:
Tumble do you buy trfels palmar nonsense

I haven't played with Palmar, so a meta-read on him doesn't mean much to me. I think Palmar could be scum as easily as town.
Also, Shapelog, could you at least use names for people even close to their usernames? Also, why did you say, "I might be trolling"? It's either one or the other.

Fine...I Stop using nicknames :/. Idk if I troll, because it is natural. Like a Baby to a mother, or Obama getting bitched slapped by the senate.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 16 2016 18:11 GMT
#312
...I am spamming useless crap again Am I? >_<, I'll just fade for a few. Maybe reread the thread and actually get around to Eden defense (one of these days)...
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:12 GMT
#520
On February 17 2016 07:47 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm fine giving Shapelog a town lean and am pretty confident I wouldn't lynch him today.

Question for Shapelog:
- You've said you would go back and review the interaction between Trfel and me to get a more conclusive read on us. Having now done this (if you haven't, go do this), what is your opinion on Trfel's alignment?

I hate you people. With your TR reads on me. YOU ARE MAKING ME FEAR THAT I BEING BUDDY!!!!!Z!

But with Trofl. I first thought his read on you was weird when I read it. I didn't really know way i felt this way at the time. So I took a mental note of it. After everything, he seemed a bit too tunneled onto you. Like he was avoiding reasoning about why Town! Eden could of done it, instead only focusing on pushing the read further. His case also rubs me slightly as fabricated. However, it is worth noting, that he is fine with putting himself in the spot light. While I did this often last game, I wonder if Scum!Trofl, would do it.

His playstyle is also a bit different. Last game he was more question based and more of a support player. I actually like this new, aggressive, stance from him. He is forcing players to basically talk about semi-useful stuff early on, when traditionally, it is know for its jokes. IIRC though, he did say he was more aggressive as mafia. But I have played one game with him so i am not really going to make meta case on him.

All in all, I prob. place Trofl on a slight scum lean due to the way the case rubs off and his avoiding of the reason. That said, I am behind so i might find something else. Also, even though he is in my scum list, there might be better lynches for today.

Once i catch up i post prob. a read list.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:17 GMT
#521
Also for TT, Here are his (tumble) 1st few posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/502408-newbie-student-mafia-xix?user=Tumblewood - his, 2 page filter
1st few posts,
On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog

My reasoning on Shapelog:

Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 06:41 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 06:39 Onegu wrote:
But serious Shape trying to meta read kush(nooninsong) before he even posts is weird as fuck.

I am not trying to read him lol.
I am just saying there is something he does and as the day(s) goes on I will look for it, if it is absent, I will comment on it. Unless your scum team kills me, in which case i can just use it later on .

and
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 07:55 Shapelog wrote:
On January 27 2016 07:48 _MexicanAlien wrote:
So first shapelog suggests talking about blue roles, then he lists the reason for each blue role to not need help.
Very good reasons.

Yeah i was revising the logic on it after Deathfy posted about it.
Also I am always Sus. on my D1's, Both as Blue and Vt due to my reactive, blah blah blah trolling playstyle
Yet to roll mafia sadly, thought this would be the one =(.

In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.


On January 27 2016 12:13 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 11:48 darthfoley wrote:
Tumblewood, can you explain why you're town reading Trfel? He has four one liners so far. Which of them makes him lean town for you?


I remember some slight town lean posts and nothing scummy, so that was enough to put him up there in my memory. Looking through his filter, though, there's not much to put him on one side or the other. If I had to redo that list, I'd swap Onegu and Trfel.

On January 28 2016 01:31 Tumblewood wrote:
I had a big long post halfway written, but then I went to sleep and everything has changed. So, again, I'm going to make one big long post.

First, about our three main suspects: Onegu, PepperMintTea and Shapelog

Onegu hasn't really done anything aside from his one big post and his arguments defending that post. Everything else is just Onegu being the Newbie Police. I won't quote that post since it's gigantic, but the read on Trfel is good and the rest doesn't say very much. It's hard to townread him for anything he's done this game, so he's a slight scumread.
PepperMintTea hasn't done anything to give me an opinion of him. It looks to me as if people saw one post with sort of flawed logic and then went entirely off of that.
Shapelog's early play (say, pre page 16) was scummy as hell. You guys are all townreading him for reasons that are mostly "Too scummy to be scum", like Eden's post (cropped)
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 16:11 Eden1892 wrote:
I skimmed the early stuff. It's a bit late and I don't really feel like reading the thread in a lot of depth right now, but I got a few early reads worth sharing.


- Shapelog is obviously town, and the first thing I want to do when I get the motivation to read this game in detail (which will be tomorrow, hold me to this and don't let me be lazy) is to read the sequence of people scumreading him early while it was the "in" read to give, because I'm almost positive scum were involved in that.

If I actually have to explain this (and if you need it explained, that's okay; newbie game and all), Shapelog's posting was very spontaneous and "error-prone" in the right way. As Onegu put it, "talking about someone's meta before they even post" is in fact a poor use of a townie's time, because you don't need to call attention to the idea that you have a way to read somebody based on meta. Just make the read in either direction when the trigger behavior you're waiting on manifests itself (or doesn't manifest itself when it should).

But a post like that is never going to come from mafia. Mafia players don't think to themselves: "You know, I should post that I have a meta read on kush before he says anything. That will make me look more townie and advance my agenda." Because it doesn't. It's empty words.

An excited townie, however, who is trying to get discussion started and generate meaningful data for themselves and other players to read, might be overeager and start talking about this tell before it manifests, because it's meaningful to them (even if it doesn't do anything yet). And if you read the rest of Shapelog's posts, eagerness and excitement are pretty reasonable descriptors of his emotional state as he plays.

So we can either assume that Shapelog is a bad noob scum player, who also doesn't have anybody on his team to tell him that his early posting isn't doing anything to help, and who also doesn't have a scum coach telling him the same thing... or we can just assume that he is an eager townie, as his posts read.

The bolded section, the main reason for townreading, makes no sense. It's basically, "It doesn't make him look like town, and scum wants to look like town, so he must not be scum." I'd appreciate if you'd explain that point to me.

Next, about the other consistently active players: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien, and Trfel

Onegu, regardless of whether he's scum, made a good point on Trfel. Trfel's been asking so many questions but hasn't said much of anything himself. That reads scum to me, because it allows him to advance mafia's agenda without doing anything himself, if that makes sense.
Anything I say on darthfoley will be a weak point. He hasn't done much of anything this game to give me a strong opinion on him, so I'm going to call this one a null read.
MexicanAlien looks like a complete townread if you ignore his first ten posts. He started the game off with things like, "We need to figure out a strategy" and "We need information", which would be a sure scumread if he weren't a complete newbie or if he continued like that. Those first few posts set off alarm bells in my head, but I think I was wrong on that one, because he's been a normal contributing member of the town since then.

And everyone else

I have nothing to say about Kuramari and Ikidomari because of how little they've posted and how little they've said. Opinions pending.
JesusIncarnate is weird to me because he was away for the first 15 hours of the game then came back and said half good points and half "sick meme". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's definitely suspicious in my mind if he doesn't do anything more for the next several hours.
Eden and Alur read town for me, because they seem to be the ones with the most desire to hunt scum in the town. Alur went quiet for a while, but my opinion on him hasn't changed yet. Eden is the more town-leaning of the two.
Nooniansoong (kush?) is a sliiiight scum read for me because he's gotten by doing very little so far. There's definitely not enough, though, there to base a lynch off of.

TL;DR
I was gone for a while and now I'm trying to catch up. Shapelog still reads scum to me, Onegu and Trfel also look scum to me, Eden, Alur, MexicanAlien look town. I need to read through this again and see what everyone else did because it's sort of lame having null / very weak reads on 6/12 other players.


Very different approach then from here.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:21 GMT
#522
On February 17 2016 11:06 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't think that "I'm a bad lynch" is a townie defense.

You be suppose at the powers of the saltshaker!
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:25 GMT
#523
On February 17 2016 11:29 Breshke wrote:
ehh I have a problem with these two posts.
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 09:27 Shapelog wrote:
On February 16 2016 09:17 Trfel wrote:
Shapelog, why do you not care that I caught mafia

I am actually writing a reply to your questions Lol.

But about Eden, tbh not a whole lot to go off of (I mean like 4 posts not counting the miller softclaim joke).

In those two posts: Set up speculation, Rosukl Town read, Asking if people abject to Miller claiming, Miller claiming.

Like why would mafia push Miller claiming AND while speculating that a DT is in a game?


Show nested quote +
On February 16 2016 23:19 Shapelog wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Sick Mafia Stat that while it has not…] +

OK so this is great. I was reading R-Girl's Filter and This pop into my head. This is comptlely Off topic and I highly suggest to you to NOT reply to this. IT will clog up the thread and my filter with useless crap. Only thing worth noting is the end.

SUPPOSE THAT THE MILLERS are NOT Aware. Cheekey right? I mean we have had everyone post and no one claimed. What if mafia posts a list like Eden's. Saying the Millers sound aware (while knowing somehow either by mafia knowledge or host question). and THEN having their partner claim Miller? Sure, they might run into problems later on. But that would be a amazing play.

IMPORTANT INFO
So, While I am all for Millers to claim if they are aware. I think we need to be careful since we do not actually know if Millers are really Millers. And if we have a DT, they can not check. Further more, we need to see if there is any associative behavior with the person who claims Miller and with people like Eden who assumes Millers are aware.


the first one shows meaningful insight into why edens "setup speculation" wasn't scummy. This makes me think that he has obviously thought about what eden is saying and realised millers are self aware.

then the second post he suddenly backtracks and says a bunch of words about not much. I know dumbtells almost always come from town and mafia hardly ever fake them but this isn't really a dumbtell because it isnt about the mafia roles. Like I don't get how the same person wrote these two posts. Scum lean on Shape

That's better , I like you breaske. But it was not actually directed at Eden as it was mainly directed at the fact if millers were not aware, mafia could take that option without resistance.

But please, Tell the court why i am mafia. It pleases my Narcissistic ego and helps me get a read on you.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:28 GMT
#524
On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote:
can we lynch shape?

-bats lashes at-

alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol

Can i make a scum case on myself first? Also I would prefer that my endgame streak of 3 games does not end with a ML on day 1 lol.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:45 GMT
#527
On February 17 2016 22:34 Breshke wrote:
Hi shape

It is actually hard because yes i still don't see how you could make both of those posts but I don't see why you do it as mafia. Dumbtell obviously but that is jsut a MEH reason. I also get the same kinda vibe rsoul said she got where you seem like "fake happy" but that might just be you and im far too lazy to look at your other games to see if that's true.

Some people want to lynch shining. What is your opinion on that shape?

You shouldn't TR me based off a dumbtell. period. Anyone who does that is very dumb. Rsoul's point has some merit to it. But I am actually not that happy. In fact, I am happy only to my posts towards TT.

I feel Shining is like fool's gold. Most of the points made on him is meta crap which i can not expect to know. Plus adding the fact that SL, another person on what i am guessing to be the lynch plate, is pushing him and scott. Makes me feel like people are using him as a easy out.

His WoT.....Well it felt like a read. But it felt like he was just talking about X and sometimes follow up with a question. it is 8:45 in the morning here and I prob. won't have time to deep read his WoT. Though I do not like he posted 5-7 sentences, just to ask me a question.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 13:48 GMT
#528
something came up so i won't be on till 12ish. I should be around for deadline thou.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
February 17 2016 16:43 GMT
#560
On February 18 2016 01:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 00:53 rsoultin wrote:
i also think if you're going to throw your weight around norse god you'd probably do better to actually read the thread ^^

I don't have to tbh, I can just figure things out this way.

Why is shape mafia?

Why am I town lol?
Any ways to Rsoul, I feel moot about shining, his read post was very werid. But with the way his votes came upon him, I doubt he is actually scum.
Seems like the guy who mafia wants to lynch. IF you caught my drift.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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