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On November 03 2015 01:16 Rels wrote:Man HTS you're not reading properly. Are you on a phone ? First you messed up the TMI stuff, then this: Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town).
If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:
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No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here? You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question. So you are saying that I'm wrong in my read on rayn (you are implying he's scum, correct?) No, I'm not implying he's scum in that post. I'm implying that he wouldn't ask a dumb question. I did it when I said "I don't see him asking dumb questions like that". Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Why do you think his "are you mafia" is a serious (albeit dumb) question that should be taken serious and such a scumread - and why do you think this offsets the rest of his play (play that does not involve you)? I don't anymore. I did it when I said "But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question." (actually I did it before, but I restated it in the post you quoted) Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Are you suggesting in any form that I should remove him from my team? I didn't suggest anything from the post above. But since you're asking, I would like you to elect Xatalos / kita / me. rayn instead of one of the three could be OK too. And since I suppose the next question will be "but you were suspicious of kita!", I liked his recent posts.
How are any of these people more town than rayn? Right now as it stands, I'm almost certainly keeping rayn on, and there's no way I'm ever putting Kita on at this moment (not ever, but at this moment) particularly seeing what I see so far, namely where is he taking his questions?
From what I can tell he doesn't like Superbia, last post indicates he's null on me and Xata but the difference I'm trying to resolve there is how Superbia is exclusively mafia. The inactives in this game are also making interchangability difficult and that is not even considering my RL situation today.
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And Rels, I'm on my husband's laptop. I am just praying he doesn't take it away from me, he's been on his phone, but the longer this delay goes...eh, I'll just carry on mobile then. Annoying but I can't do jack all about it.
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On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it?
That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication.
>_<
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ebwop - that glare was at Rels, not Xatalos
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My interpretation of "dumb questions" was different from yours. Even if you aren't directly saying rayn isn't scum.
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On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ?
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Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity.
Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry?
Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before.
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On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi!
If you could find a way to bleed town in the next 3-4 hours it would greatly help me. Xx
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On November 03 2015 01:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:31 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:21 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:08 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, HTS/rayn/Xata could work... HTS has seemed pretty focused on solving the game How do you differentiate HTS solving the game as town from HTS setting herself up as a likely nomination as spy by bringing along active players? Were there certain posts that you can point me to that suggest she is analyzing things from only a town perspective? Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. She's not clearly reading the thread. That's three things she misread, and three things about me too: 1 - TMI stuff (she thought I did it, when it was Superbia) 2 - Disagreeing on rayn (she thought I said rayn was scum, when I said he wouldn't ask dumb questions) 3 - Dumb questions (she asked me why I thought rayn wouldn't ask dumb questions, when I already stated he actually didn't) I may have missed something, but why did you say he wouldn't ask dumb questions if you didn't mean he was scum for it? That is exactly what I meant by that. Dumb questions - nowhere - scum implication. >_< It does for rayn, as he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions; why would he do it as town ? ?????? Why would he do it as town? There's no rhyme or reason to that, he just does, other than he's explicitly said he doesn't deal with stupidity. Or am I misunderstanding you? Why would he do it as town - from context you mean get angry? Holy hell, I think we might be talking around each other. I am finding your posts extremely tenuous this game, and I know I've said that at least once before. The sentence should read "Why would he ask a dumb question ?"
Okay if this is the case, then no rayn wouldn't ask a dumb question as town, but then that takes me back to my previous post about me disagreeing with you that his questions were actually dumb.
*throws her hands up in defeat*
Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree here.
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On November 03 2015 01:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:36 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 03 2015 01:17 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 01:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Rels why do you actually think i am town? I'm not sure you are. You're attacking people over small logical things and you are thinking about the game as a whole; that is town indicative, but I know you can replicate that as town; at least that what you and several other people claimed before. Hm... Who would replace rayn then? In which team ? rayn could be town so I'm OK with him in a team; I would prefer you / Xata / me though. I fully support this team. Hi! If you could find a way to bleed town in the next 3-4 hours it would greatly help me. Xx Afraid I'm not gonna be home for another 4 at least so that seems unlikely. Phoneposting atm.
Fair enough. Don't work too hard. Or at least I hope the tail end for you is the sport part.
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Well fuck me then, my head is spinning trying to wrap around your posts Rels >_<
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On November 03 2015 01:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:56 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:27 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:21 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 23:12 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 18:19 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
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No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. What i am trying to say that i find it suspicious you are not trying to make reads yet, and i think that is not normal for you. Especially when this is not a situation where making reads does not help anything (unlike for example if in a mafia game you think everyone who has posted so far are town). If i compared this to a normal mafia this would be a situation where you know at least one of the people who have posted is mafia for sure but you are refusing to figure it out further. OK bro. I don't have townreads on anyone that posted. I don't have scumreads on them either. I have suspicions on Superbia, kita and you. This post seems somewhat contradictory (not the only post I'll comment on from Rels). Based on the sentences bolded you should in theory be scumleaning the three you listed. I'm also not clear on why you are scumreading rayn or what is jumping out at yoru scumread on rayn. I understand your argument for your initial exchange on Superbia/Xatalos is that Superbia's read on Xatalos was manufactured and I'm seeing your followup on page 16, but where was the suspicion on rayn coming from page 11? I thought this question was scummy: On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. On November 02 2015 22:56 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Rels, my post on shockey was because of him saying he's catching up, he hadn't posted jack all before that. It indicates that you read the thread, or at least the last few posts starting page 16, when you said you were stuck on page 12. Not sure it's alignement indicative but I have no idea why you would lie about that. I don't see how that made rayn scummy. He's coming to conclusions with his arguments and he's trying to see if you are coming to conclusions on people's alignments which is generally a town trait. And if you are struggling, why, townies can struggle with getting reads too (reference rsoultin in Drams) so naturally he's nitpicking to see your rationale. Mm maybe I didn't explain why I thought it was scummy. On November 02 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 18:02 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take it that you don't have any townreads Rels? No. That's interesting since there are five people who have posted something that can actually be at least considered as content. If you exclude yourself from the pool, that leaves you four people. Now for you, it is impossible that those four people are al scum -- there has to be at least one townie in them. So what, do you think we are all scum or what? No. That is a dumb question. I'm pretty sure you were the one refusing the answer dumb questions like "are you mafia ?", maybe in the newbie game with noobking. Let me check that. Oh I actually did! The scummy isn't nitpicking specific points, which is something town!rayn always do; the problem was asking a dumb question, when I remembered him getting angry at the fact he was being ask a dumb question, so I don't know why he would do this himself. Now rayn quoted the angry post, and it was not really the same context. Admittedly I'm finding this tenuous but after reading a few times I think I am understanding your viewpoint, you are saying that rayn isn't acting consistently between games (correct?). I don't agree this makes him scum, but I can at least see this. My only thing here - "are you mafia?" he and others have done this (example: Koshi - "how mafia are you?") out of spite/emotion, and I'm not sure such types of questions can really be taken seriously nor most people who ask them don't really expect, those questions are out of emotion imo - how can people really answer? For example when Koshi does this he accompanies that question with something else to substantiate that emotion (reference: Void), rayn does the same thing except he splits his posts up (reference SOTW I believe). The reason I disagreed with the question being dumb because I saw the purposes and how he reached his conclusions from the questions asked. Am I making sense here? You are making sense. You are wrong concerning rayn. I don't see him asking dumb questions like that. In fact, he gets angry when he's being asked dumb questions. But I agree the "do you really have 4 scumreads ?" was more of an accusation that a dumb question.
Yeah I saw that part, but the underlined is what I was referring to. And you said I (my read) at that time was wrong on rayn. And I also interpreted that as you including the "are you mafia" part as a dumb question. Not just even thinking about the 4 scumreads part.
Now do you see why we're going about in circles here?
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On November 03 2015 01:43 Rels wrote:
Alright leaving work.
HTS, I won't vote a team you or Superbia are part of atm. Obviously that could change between now or deadline. I'm OK with Xata / kita / rayn / me.
Going to be blunt, that's not happening, Kita is definitely not happening right now, if I swap Superbia out, it's probably going to be for Xata, and right now I'm not sure of anyone else to swap me out unless I went Superbia/Xata/rayn.
*yawn*
Thankfully this doesn't need to be unanimous. What is concerning is the lack of reads from a lot of people (inactives aside) because other than Rels saying he won't vote for certain teams, not knowing what teams are going to pass makes this doubly difficult.
I know where rayn, Rels and Xata stand, kita to a lesser extent, the rest....shit. I'm hoping as the day wears on, we'll see more activity from the NA-based players (or at least I can resolve Kita). If I'm home on time, I should have at least 30m to see if I last minute swap someone.
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On November 03 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Someone talk to me. I'm lonely 
Where do you stand on people in general?
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On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general.
There is practically zero chance he's getting on my team. What about Superbia/Rels/Xata/Kita or even myself? Any of the more actives?
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On November 03 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
The low blow )=
Hope you're not getting delayed too much
See you in a few hours folks!
Flights are getting delayed for up to 5 hours and this fog is actually looking worse than yesterday was. The further away from London, the worse it is. I'll know if this is going to be shite in another hour or so. I've been on fucking Eurocontrol for updates all day, and I know the fog had been starting to lift at least a few hours ago but there's no change in my status.
I'm taking a break from this game for about an hour, we need food here.
edited for quotes.
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oh shit that was supposed to be a re-quote not a full out edit. fuuuucccckkkk....
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On November 03 2015 01:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 01:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Someone talk to me. I'm lonely Where do you stand on people in general? Rels/xata/rayn townish, you leaning townish, kita and shockey leaning scummish, don't remember enough about super and sl.
Don't recall much on Superbia? interesting.
Rest of reads, fair enough.
Alright, some food time. Will re-review Rels/Xata and get some alternatives soon after.
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Here again.
Read Xata. Could swap Superbia out for him. I'll sit on this.
Current: raynpelikoneet/Superbia/myself
1st alt: Xata/rayn/myself
2nd alt: TBD
Going through Rels again, then Kita/Artanis/Shockey.
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Read through Kita's filter again. Most of his questions were answered or appeared so. So many questions, so few conclusions. Where do you stand on everyone now?
And my proposed lineups?
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Departing from Berlin shortly. About bloody time.
And Kita, as for less active players, sicklucker has done jack all, and Shockey I scumread but not for activity, I did pick out what I didn't like about him. Artanis I can go either way - he's inactive so if he was town he wouldn't have good reads, but I cannot rank him above say, rayn.
And "missing" for awhile, yeh that is why I am considering alternatives.
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