EPT[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31 - Page 17
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On November 11 2015 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: You need to understand. .. HtS, that just because i say "fuck you" to you or to anyone, instead of you telling me "you played bad" in a game where i found all scum it does not make me toxic.. ever.. sure you can try, but when i call out your bs take it, or prove me wrong. It makes you delusional. I say what i think. Just because you are more sensitive with words or as a person what the fuck ever idc. Get your facts straight and dont feed ppl with bs. I will be saving an appropriate response for this in the post-game as some of the problems here in question go beyond this game or really anyone's gameplay. I will leave it at that. | ||
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On November 11 2015 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Afk 24h, if the mission passes we autowin anyway since we can just send the same mission 2 more times. The autowin part is not entirely true, but for obvious reasons I won't go into detail. We'll see what happens in 24h, I should have some breathing room to play tomorrow. | ||
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On November 11 2015 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There's no reason for mafia to pass this mission then fail mission 3 when they'll just be identical if it passes anyway. If there's a spy on this mission he's going to fail it. Judging by the votes (specifically only 2 no votes), this mission will fail. (insert expletives here) | ||
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Vivax seemed okay at the time my vote went in, I put it through around lunchtime (EU) because I was fucking pressed for time with this game. I accepted the fact that Rels could be town after a fresh (and attempt at being unbiased after seeing hsi filter), but upon seeing these votes, I very well could have been wrong - the fact that Artanis voted this team down and Rels upvoted it....IDK. My first thought - if this team fails and it likely will - is that the Rels/Artanis interaction is more likely that the former of the two is more likely scum. (I'm thinking the most likely scum in this group is between Rels/Vivax.) Doubling back on his filter....there was a quote where Rels said he wanted Shockey on the team and (not so?) tinfoil me thinks a scum Rels could try to set Schokey up as a scapegoat. Food for thought. rayn is 1000% town, this I am confident of. And yeah before anyone keeps saying I'm scum for discussing this ahead of time, hear me out, are any of the above four (kita/rayn/Vivax/Rels) being scumread or heavily scumread? No. At least one scum passed this. There's a reason why, folks. Anyways, second attempt at going to bed. At least today (Wednesday) isn't a 15 hour day... | ||
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On November 11 2015 09:57 sicklucker wrote: Like rels and shockey .HOW DO YOU VOTE YES HERE? Not only do you get to pick next, but I had already promised to put you on the garanteed team fi your teams you submitted did not pass. IT MAKES NO SENSE maybe you guys are just the mafia afterall #yolo prediction of Xatalos/Rels/Shockey for post-game cred!!!!!  Okay, I was sort of kidding about Shockey, but see my previous post re: Rels. IDK. | ||
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On November 11 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: so many yes votes... well 0% chance this passes gg wp scum Damn, don't give up. Take the information gained from this failure and work backwards. We're down, but we aren't out yet. Good night. | ||
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On November 11 2015 09:57 sicklucker wrote: Like rels and shockey .HOW DO YOU VOTE YES HERE? Not only do you get to pick next, but I had already promised to put you on the garanteed team fi your teams you submitted did not pass. IT MAKES NO SENSE maybe you guys are just the mafia afterall sicklucker - tbf you wanted to put rels on your team, now you absolutely know you cannot. Like I said there is some information gained from this. rayn even queried some suspicion on Rels JUST before this vote on this team passed that I think might warrant paying some attention. I am reading and re-reading. Pay attention to that and Artanis' follow on Rels. I am at Xatalos/Rels/TBD Final mafia is between Kitaman/Vivax. It is not Shockey based on previous votes, and it's not you (especially with this vote). And I cannot see it being Artanis at all at this point particularly with this vote. Now between Kita and Vivax, I had associative reasons that it's probably not Vivax's slot based on Xata's early game play but Superbia's lurkiness, even if NAI in the end, which you pushed SL, gave you some pause, so it might be worth it to at least re-eval his posts before he went completely afk. I'm going to find the third mafia and then work backwards in constructing the cases. Right now, a team I know that will pass a mission based on everything I've looked through: rayn/sicklucker/Artanis/Shockey So if I absolutely cannot decide between Kita and Vivax (if Kita is mafia, then it's the point where I have to pretty much save Kita's filter somewhere and then try and solve the game on my flight tomorrow, which is about 8h) then we can start constructing the teams leaving both players out. Since the entire game is scumreading me, I am purposely leaving myself off. but only because I know my own alignment, I'd swap myself for the individual I've least sure on (at this point Shockey) but I am sure the above four are clean. rayn/sicklucker/Artanis/myself, I would be 100% confident the team would pass a 4-person mission. This is where my head is. | ||
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The quote you highlighted is self-explanatory. A 7-2 vote indicates the team will fail or at the very least there is a spy on the team. Considering the state of the game it is very highly likely there is a spy. Artanis downvoting the team (aside from other things) is a massive point in his favour. | ||
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On November 12 2015 02:34 Rels wrote: Here Arta: - says he's not suspicious of me anymore - says he will vote YES But in the end, after mostly everyone says they will vote YES, he ends up voting NO. Why ? It's not logical from his reads. One explication could be that he's scum, he knows the team is infected, and he wanted to be on the right side of the votes for towncred. For the Xata / rayn / SL team he had to vote YES 'cause it wasn't obvious if it was going to pass or not without his vote; for this team, he could vote NO, have the team go and get the town cred. I'm still going with the theory that the team is infiltrated, since if it's clean we won anyway. "Not that sure" (what he said) and "not suspicious" (what you said) are two different things. At best, someone saying "I'm not sure on you" means they have at best a null on you. And he said he was toying with it, not that he'd commit. Two different things. He already implied (bolded) what the count would be. If Artanis is scum it's sure not for that. | ||
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I looked at interactions between Kitaman and Superbia (now Vivax), Xatalos, and rayn, and the day 1 stuff all over again. Kita had a mafia lean on Xatalos and there was more dodgy interaction between Xatalos and Superbia which Kita pointed out. Post #563 in light of all these and casting doubt on both Superbia and Xatalos....he's town. sicklucker, I honestly do think that makes Kita town. What do you think of the puzzle now if you were to look at day 1 again? The final scumteam would put me at Rels/Xatalos/Superbia. I need to now re-read filters, interactions, and reactions and take another look at the votes to see if this team makes sense. I know I recall somewhere Rels had a reaction to either Kita's list or something that said along the lines of "oh yeah Xatalos did have more solid scumreads in Vanilla" or something of that sort. That would most certainly support the Rels/Xatalos tie-in, it's just a poke that doesn't go anywhere which is mafia indicative. Nevermind it would make his questioning (IIRC it was him) of my meta argument for Xatalos being mafia more awkward considering he had agreed with Kita on a similar point. | ||
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The final scumteam would put me at Rels/Xatalos/Vivax. | ||
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On November 12 2015 03:25 Vivax wrote: Do you really think I can be spy with Xata, Rels? After what superbia did to him right at the start of D1? For now we can just chill and wait for the outcome. All this speculation pre-result is even too tinfoil for me. Kita made a good point as to why you sure could be. On November 03 2015 00:07 kitaman27 wrote: This seems like quite the over analysis for an intro one-liner. There doesn't have to be spy motivation in every post. Why conclude that he is somehow pushing an agenda where it benefits him to trick town into thinking the spies will get steam rolled. Really a stretch here. More speculation without basis than anything. This is where Kita was day 1. Obviously on the back on new information, and looking how he has interacted with people and THESE READS.... On November 04 2015 04:28 kitaman27 wrote: Here are my reads so far. I'm sure they will change as time goes on. Admittedly there is a lot of wishy/washy or null reads. I'm still not completely sure about anyone really. [...] Xatalos - Leaning mafia This is a flat out false statement to justify his town read on Superbia. Superbia was NOT constantly engaged with the thread. He was absent aside from the start of the game, a 1 hour period where he made several posts, and a return post where he promised future reads. How can a player be both engaged and disconnected from the game at the same time. I question the validity of the town read because he isn't aware of Superbia's absence when several other players start to question the drop off. Furthermore, he justifies the scum read on me by stating that I am ignoring discussion topics. That makes Xatalos's mindset look even worse when you compare it to his defense of Superbia. Superbia never even comments about the nomination aside from a 1-liner after the fact that he has never elaborated on. I shared my suspicions on both Superbia and Xatalos during the nomination phase and my satisfaction with both HTS and rayn as nominations. It seems like Xatalos generated his reads a few hours into the game and hasn't re-evaluated based on the events of the thread, which I view as a scum trait. Superbia - Weakly leaning town Superbia + Xatalos doesn't stand out as teammates and I think Xat looks worse between the two. That's probably the biggest reason that I have him slightly townier than NULL. If I re-evaluated my read on Xata, I'd probably need to do the same here. This post felt genuine. He had no input regarding nominations. I won't necessarily interpret this as spy motivated since he has essentially been absent from the thread, rather than lurking. I felt this post was exaggerated. He suggests that Xat is pushing a mafia agenda with the nightmare for scum post in order to catch town off guard. I simply don't think a mafia Xat is looking that far ahead. If anything, I'd say reason 1 makes more sense. Trying to interpret what a town Xat would enter the game as is a complete guessing game so I felt he was really stretching his read here. AT THAT TIME, he mentioned they couldn't possibly stand out as teammates, but both have one major thing in common - the reads on each other were a stretch which is common(ish) when mafia need to discredit each other. From the first failed mission I am 99.9% Xatalos is the saboteur, and the above plus sicklucker's points on Superbia (prior to the fully afk) lurky game make this combination a bit more likely. Again, let me remind everyone SUPERBIA HAD JACK ALL ON NOMS Day 1. From a mafia mindset he might not have wanted to give anyone away! Thoughts? Kita, Kita, Kita, where are you... | ||
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