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Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 21:53 GMT

#1961

Shockey I quick-skimmed your filter (upon seeing Rels discuss you in his) - I know where you stand on rayn but what about Xatalos? Do you think they are both scum?

What do you think about what I posted on Xatalos and sicklucker's suggestion that Xatalos might have TMI on rayn?

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 21:55 GMT

#1963

On November 03 2015 06:23 Rels wrote:

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Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game.

If Rels concurred with this and this is in line with the Xatalos lack of quality reads mafia meta, then there's a decent chance Rels might be town? Ehhhh lemme read on...

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 21:57 GMT

#1964

So both of you are scumreading each other for dodging questions? Am I reading that right? I think I can see what Artanis is doing with #2 tbh, but seeing people hesistant to show all their cards to a potential scumread is not something I consider scum indicative.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:04 GMT

#1967

Hell, I might need to downvote this team regardless of what I think on Rels.

I went to the database to look through Superbia's activity and sicklucker is actually correct regarding activity. Day 3 equivalent games show more than twice the number of pages for town as mafia. The same thing for 4 day equivalents. We are seven actual days into this game and more or less a normal game this would be Day 3. Only six pages.

What gives me pause is Xata's approach day 1 (which I might need to double check) towards him. And I felt when he did post, he was town.

Goodness this game is hard.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:07 GMT

#1970

On November 09 2015 07:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
No but what is scum indicative is the fact that Xata was A) on the first mission, B) still town reads Rayn after said first mission. Isn't that the same kind of stubbornness that Rayn shows? In all honesty, I can find SL to be town, but there is definitely a mafia between rayn and xata, or theyre both mafia.

Now for this next mission coming up, I really don't like the fact that Kita has a ton of mafia leans still while never giving his reads fully. Makes me question him at this point, but then there is Artanis too.

Fair enough.

ATM I'm trying to see a game where you and Rels are actually town and I feel that Xata is the scum that failed mission 1. I'm finding a town Rels more possible but....the rest of this team.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:11 GMT

#1972

On November 09 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:

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Source on arta scumreading me for dodging plz.

OH SHIT. I just read post #1962. No I misread with all those line breaks. Disregard that last post then.

And then I see this explanation from Artanis.

I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that.

If I'm following those line breaks correctly, oh god that is a bad explanation from Artanis. I don't agree with that explanation.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:13 GMT

#1975

We have a rayn/Artanis/Superbia/Rels team up for the nomination right? I'm thinking I'm going to put in a no vote for now.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:16 GMT

#1976

Yeh, I know deadline is a bit rough wanting to go to bed early. 2215 here. I think I might crash after deadline.

Shockey, what do you think about Superbia/Artanis in general? I know Artanis looked at you (IIRC) saying you "could" be scum for not having much reads and not wanting to give teammates away.

I know you are (were?) scumreading rayn but any developing thoughts on superbia or Artanis?

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:18 GMT

#1977

On November 09 2015 07:13 Half the Sky wrote:
We have a rayn/Artanis/Superbia/Rels team up for the nomination right? I'm thinking I'm going to put in a no vote for now.

No I stand corrected. This is what happens when you multitask too much.

On November 08 2015 08:08 Fidei86 wrote:
Artanis[Xp] has nominated the following team for Mission 2:

Artanis[Xp]
Rels
Kitaman27
Superbia

Please PM your votes to myself and Ticktock. You may switch your vote as often as you like, until the deadline.

Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 8 November 2015.

Still the point of contention is Superbia/Artanis.

sicklucker can you help me on this re: Superbia.....pleeeeeaaaasssseeeeeeeeeee

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:23 GMT

#1981

In a world where Rels is town, does a Xatalos/Artanis/TBD team make sense? Food for thought and for future reference.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:26 GMT

#1982

This is hard. I voted no, but quite ironically it wasn't because of Rels. Now I might have to double back on Artanis and make sure I didn't miss anything else.

From a town mindset Rels scumreading me could also be the result of him not understanding Resistance, which is why I ignored any interactions between the two of us. For example, my talking about teams one round in advance is something I do in the real game and especially as resistance. (At least in those games I've yet to be criticised for doing so if it IS a bad strategy.)

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:40 GMT

#1985

Alright #1242 from Rels is pretty towny as well. Prior he had the same thought on SL/Artanis for the mission that failed (before it failed) and obviously I felt the same. NAI at worst, towny at best.

The concept of Rels pushing townleaders is possible given his scum game so for now I consider that NAI....almost through with this filter.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:41 GMT

#1986

Not sure how the others voted on this team, but I'm hoping for now it fails. 20 more minutes...

Sidenote: Should have time on and off tomorrow to keep playing. Tuesday's workday however is looking very bad though

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:44 GMT

#1987

On November 07 2015 10:10 Rels wrote:

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On November 07 2015 10:08 Xatalos wrote:

On November 07 2015 10:06 Rels wrote:
Another thing I didn't like, and he refused to comment on after being asked maybe 5 times: rayn put suspicions in both HTS and me in a short period of time.

On November 05 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On November 05 2015 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:

On November 05 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
She thinks both you and kita are town but she picks the person that is least likely to get yay-voted in the team.
It makes very little sense.

What would be the mafia motivation to suggest a team with a less optimal chance of success here?

If HtS is mafia it comes down to this:
1) the team of HtS/Xatalos/rayn gets yay'd; me and Xatalos have "almost definitely confirmed scum", which suddenly makes everything HtS says after that a possibility of a big fuckup. She also needs to argue why Xatalos is scum.
2) the team of HtS/kita/rayn gets yay'd; She can actually more conveniently argue that kitaman is scum, because other people think kitaman is scum aswell. She don't even really need to argue, she can just +1 on the points. (the contrary to (1) is that i am not 100% arguing against her)
3) the team of HtS/kita/rayn get's nay'd (which is very very likely in the first place); she doesn't out herself, and passes the turn onto someone else -- she "looks better" to you, which increases her possibilities of getting picked later on as she is "right".

Personally i see the scum motivation in (2) and (3) over (1). If i was at HtS' position i would definitely pick either (2) or (3) over the possibility (1), since regardless of who is scum in this game at that time (and even now) the town is not working very well together.

On November 05 2015 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't have much to say to your big post kita. I just disagree.
I suggest you go read Rels' scumgames to see what he is capable of:
Season of the Witch II[/ur]
Battle of Drams

Basically the cases he makes look "good" but they are boring. lol, i can't explain that better.
Like here Superbia and to some extent HtS are like furious and spit flames everywhere (like BM in SotW game) when getting into argument with Rels. Rels is just.. boring, and the reasoning is boring. And he makes conclusions that don't make any sense, at all.

And here is what he thinks about busing in this setup:

On November 05 2015 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you read his filter, rayn always considers teams when he puts out suspicions. But there, he considers us both possible scums, when in his giant post he said that about busing:
The best way of playing Resistance, at least what i have figured out is to play the first cycle as you were playing mafia. What Rels said is completely untrue, just because if mafia does not look town they cannot bus, everything is situational. The way to play is to give out reads, town and scumreads. While townreads are "more important" here, the fact is that mafia doesn't want an all town team to go on a mission, that should be obvious. Now if scum are bussing, it hinders their changes of getting a mission where there is scum on it to go through, just because they have to downvote missions (unless they themselves are the scum there).

Now if mafia busses, and there happens to be a town leader, they might find themselves in a situation where they must accept an all town team, because otherwise they give themselves away. You can't just have three scumreads and when a mission goes up where all the people there are townread by you, you just can't say "i am nay-voting this team, because...".

So if doesn't think scum would bus this game; but he's considering HTS to be a possible scum, when he's convinced I'm scum. If both reads were light reads, that could explain it, as only one of them could be true in his mind; but rayn is convinced since pretty early in the game I am scum. This fact + his view on bussing should make him view HTS as town.

That's just unflipped association though? I don't think it should completely remove a scumread on either of you, even if it could maybe cause him think that you're not both scum together.

So SL is considered town because "all the scummy people don't want to vote for him"; but this consideration don't extend to HTS being pushed pretty hard by rayn's second hardest scumread after Shockey ?

I completely missed this post. This is a really good response.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:49 GMT

#1988

Alright I'm done with Rels' filter. Now I have to turn some attention to Xatalos and Artanis. Particularly our resident protoss.

The third....ah shit. Thing is, I saw Rels'/yours (Shockey) explanation for saying they are scum, I felt your reasons were more NAI for reasons I previously explained and Rels....eh I see where he's coming from but I really do feel rayn is town.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 22:51 GMT

#1989

On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway

If Lex is mafia, from a mafia perspective it might be easy to set Rels up as the fall guy. And he could be taking advantage of rayn being wrong. When rayn is wrong (reference Drams) chaos ensues.

Time to check that part of the game.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 23:01 GMT

#1991

Thank goodness.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 23:02 GMT

#1992

So our lovely Lex decided to place someone he was scumreading on his team at rayn's suggestion and then vetoed the team anyhow. Interesting. Food for thought.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 23:05 GMT

#1993

So at least 2 if not all 3 scummers voted no to this. Might have been to disguise the likely scummer(s) on this team?

rayn's phase will be interesting.

Half the Sky

Germany9029 Posts

November 08 2015 23:11 GMT

#1996

Shockey voting yes.....

Prior reads:

rayn/HTS (red)
rels/kita/artanis/super (green)

Xata/SL (???)

Change in reads:

On November 09 2015 07:22 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, this is my town reads right now. Rels, SL, HtS and Myself... Straight up had to switch it.

Shockey if you are still there and if you upvoted the team, I see Rels obviously there as a new townread, but if you thought scum Artanis was possible why upvote the team? I know you said you were struggling to decide but...

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