Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly - Page 2

On September 06 2015 05:57 n00bKing wrote:

GlowingBear has come out looking Town from virtually every interaction. So if Scott is Town, then he's just about as wrong as he could possibly be, as I like most of what GlowingBear has had to say in the game.

On September 06 2015 06:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ok, I could tackle your post about me but i'll just say one thing here.

when i asked glowingbear about his opinion on scott, he had said that scott's reads made sense in the post directly before. but glowingbear on scott's directly previous post had said he had made a shit post. so i was looking to catch GB in a trap. if he had said scott looked townie then he was almost certainly mafia in my eyes. instead, he said that he still had him as null/scum for previous shit posts.

so GB effectively avoided the trap which prompted my 'mmm...ok' response. he had responded in the best possible way which made me townread him.

on the other hand when i try to prompt u (copcake) to help us out, all u seem to want to do is rage at me even though i'm completely willing to listen to other's opinions on you and i am in fact actively searching for such opinions. this can only make me A. hurt and B. suspicious that you're getting so angry over really nothing. even now u seem to be unable to see the traps and the ulterior motives behind my seemingly pointless questions which just makes me more suspicious.

HOWEVER, the only reason why i am not pressing on you too hard right now is because both rayn/yamato in my townie circle seem to think ur town.

On September 06 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote:
I notice no one has raised the possibility of Hydra having been a Smurf. Based on screen name and post count, it certainly seems to me like it could be. Which would definitely impact how you gauge his exit from the game.

On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote:
Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments.

mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example.

- also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic".

- read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia.

Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason


Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now.

Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now.

On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn.

I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment.

The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full:



I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ???

n00b is a scum-read for now.

That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other?

I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime.

On September 06 2015 14:09 n00bKing wrote:

What Mafia games?

I thought he was mafia one of his games, am I mistaken?
And since you've made several posts since then, but never addressed it, I'll bring this back up:

On September 07 2015 03:43 yamato77 wrote:
I absolutely feel that we should be lynching GB today, and we don't have much time to do it.

IF ANYONE has objections, please raise them.

I've read noob's post on the matter and choose to disagree with it in its entirety.

On September 07 2015 06:11 Fidei86 wrote:
Does scott have a reason for being on GB other than OMGUS?

On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote:
For the list so far that has been participating:

MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit.


n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't.

CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement.

CopCake: Town forever

Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose.

Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active.

scott31337: Town so far.

Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective.

GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean.

boxerfred: Don't remember him.

yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia.

Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person.

raynpelikoneet: Town.

On September 07 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
shit got real.

On September 07 2015 08:00 NocturneMage wrote:


rayn, definitely not,

scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive.