My HP was reduced by 1... I didn't receive a message that my counter failed though so apparently I wasn't attacked at all? I assume there's some kind of an ability to deal damage without visiting people then :/ That means we kind of have a time limit to finish the game because I'll die eventually with that thing. Well, I guess it might already be LYLO/MYLO now so that's not even the biggest danger.

Xatalos

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May 11 2015 15:36 GMT

#6852

I just sent the message to organize a fight between Javert and Chezinu (I guess it can be changed if there's an actual need though). I think those two are the most likely to flip scum/3P right now (everyone else has something going for them and they haven't really done anything useful especially recently) and with so many of us on low HP right now, we basically need to lynch correctly today to reduce incoming KP. That's why I almost certainly won't consider lynching anyone else today.

Javert seems like the better choice simply because he's done genuinely scummy things like resisting to lynch sandroba/yamato and finally ending on yamato (probably the lesser loss for the scumteam). I think he's almost certainly the remaining scum. The 3P is most likely Chezinu or HF but I'd rather just lynch Javert - a better chance for reducing KP and just avoiding a loss.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:37 GMT

#6853

So yeah, overall I'd say we just lynch Javert.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:38 GMT

#6854

##Vote Inspector Javert

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:43 GMT

#6856

About the RB thing... I think it's not good to not-push Javert just because RB'ing him hasn't apparently caused disruptions in KP delivery. It could well be that scum RB can't be interrupted when they're few enough in numbers, or he has an ability not to be interrupted when delivering KP? I guess it makes it slightly less likely for him to be scum but still the most likely out of anyone.

*Maybe* I could consider Chezinu instead....... It's just I have 0% idea how to read him so it'd be basically an RNG lynch (with some help from process of elimination).

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:44 GMT

#6857

*scum KP

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:46 GMT

#6858

On May 12 2015 00:42 Inspector Javert wrote:

Show nested quote +

He can't because I was rbed yesterday too. He can't just say the rb worked one day and then the rb didn't work the next day.

But yeah maybe him taking damage does clear him I didn't actually read that before I voted him. It still doesn't make sense for him to scum read me after rbing me TWICE and knowing kp still got through both times.

You being RB'd doesn't really clear you IMO. Honestly it'd feel a bit too harsh on scum if their only remaining member was RB'd and no KP went through. Like... An RBer would act as a Cop+RBer then and we already had many, many cops.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:48 GMT

#6859

Well I'll have to check out the other game too but I'll drop by this thread when I can tonight. Anything specially important for the time being to talk about?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 15:51 GMT

#6861

On May 12 2015 00:43 Xatalos wrote:
About the RB thing... I think it's not good to not-push Javert just because RB'ing him hasn't apparently caused disruptions in KP delivery. It could well be that scum RB can't be interrupted when they're few enough in numbers, or he has an ability not to be interrupted when delivering KP? I guess it makes it slightly less likely for him to be scum but still the most likely out of anyone.

*Maybe* I could consider Chezinu instead....... It's just I have 0% idea how to read him so it'd be basically an RNG lynch (with some help from process of elimination).

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:27 GMT

#6867

Back. Had to be AFK a bit.

Breshke... I've kind of liked his posting in recent days. I'll check what you wrote on him, might have missed something.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:34 GMT

#6870

I think it's kind of a WIFOM argument that he would have used his power to save townies for credibility. I guess it's possible... Maybe, since it'd be just saving 5 HP or so, not their lives. Still the simpler answer is just that he did it because he's town IMO.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:39 GMT

#6871

So your assumption is something like that you can't block factional KP delivery, just other abilities like the random 3 damages etc. going around? I guess that would seem reasonably fair for the scumteam considering the huge amount of blue roles we have.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:42 GMT

#6874

On May 11 2015 09:55 Chezinu wrote:
Dear everybodies,

You all know that everyone would be glad if I won the game as 3P versus anyone else here. That is why Chez should live. It is best to lose against Chez than any other 3P. The second best 3P to lose against is HF. That is why he should live, cause fun!

SL died... He never got the bucket of water..

since he was modkilled... no one has the towel now...

... I think Chezinu just needs a policy lynch though. It's too bad we don't have a Vigi.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:49 GMT

#6879

On May 10 2015 15:41 Breshke wrote:
Okay so i think this is where im going to be starting.

Inspector Javert - Could be scum/3p

Chezinu - Could be scum/3p

sicklucker - Could be 3p, I don't really think it is possible for him to be scum because looking at his herbs list I don't see how if he was scum he wouldn't jsut give them all to scummates since he already gave one to FF. I say he could be thrid party but it seems kind of out there since he obviously has this present giving like ability so if he is just meant to outlast everyone I don't see how we would ever catch him like ehh very very likely town.

Holyflare - could be 3p. something doesn't really add up for his early play when he first wanted fight prometer and said he would trade one for one with mafia yet when stutters redirected the damage of his pgo thing it only came out to be like damage which HF would know there isn't enough to kill someone since he obviously has more than 8 hp himself since stutters hit him for 8.

Xatalos - could be 3p. Scum go tracked to delivering kp to him which is like 99% sure so very very very unlikely he is scum.

Damdred - TOWN. Has very very likely roleblocked scum KP multiple times dont really see how he could be 3p

How are you even ment to catch 3p roles? I legit don't get it don't they just play the same as town. Like xata if he is third party either took a massive risk with mafia killing him because he has been townie most of the game but maybe he thought his ability would protect him enough idk whereas HF had his PGO dont target me thing which would be a good cover.

So yeah

TOWN
Damdred
SL
Xata (3p?)
HF(3p?)

Scum/3p
Bats
Chez

I don't even really have reasons for bats/chez being scum other than PoE.

Hm... I think this is the post that made me think "probably town" at the time. I basically agreed with everything he said there. It's not just a listpost either, there's some nice analysis and conclusions in there.

Only just Javert being scum only based on PoE... :/ Well to be honest that's a big part of why I think he's scum too. Another is his D1 behaviour and then there was maybe that weird 3 KP thing, not so sure about that argument though.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:50 GMT

#6880

Hahaha if that's not a host mistake... Really bad play from him to reveal his hand so early.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 16:54 GMT

#6884

Tbh it's more about *how* people have used roles rather than just setup speculation or something. I think it's pretty valid stuff. For example sl being town for using his role so transparently.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 11 2015 17:02 GMT

#6888

It's been a while so I might be confused on some timings.

I guess it's not completely impossible for him to be "deep scum" playing very cleanly and even sacrificing his team's damage to make himself look better. I've done something like that myself before. It's just a matter of priorities. Would you want to gamble everything on that when we have people like Javert (doing scum-favored things and not really anything constructive that I can remember) or Chezinu (not doing anything and even hinting at being some sort of 3P)...