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Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 10:36 GMT

#5984

I recall someone saying that we won't be getting The Shining's check but can't find that post. What was that about?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 10:45 GMT

#5985

On May 06 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote:

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We won't be getting shinings check tonight because ehs on top of the player list when he died

Here it is... How come?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 10:48 GMT

#5986

On May 06 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
N1: HF takes 6 damage (factional kp assumption)
FF is tracked to Xatalos and Rsoultin (rolecheck possible on Rsoultin)
Rsoultin is hit for 2 dmg and Roleblocked (Matches up to my ability and not Vivax roleblock)
Xatalos is hit for 12 Dmg
Indignant is hit for 12 dmg
Marv is hit for 7 Dmg
Vivax claims 2 dmg and roleblocked (Damdred claims this block)

D2: Jat is healed by FF for an unspecified amount
FF is flipped
JAT takes 3 random dmg at eod

N2: Rsoultin Is Roleblocked and takes 0 dmg (?)
Sepu takes 2 dmg and Roleblock (Damdred claims dmg) Stutters redirects dmg from HF PGO to Sepu for 6-7 (?) HF claims dmg is missing.
HF takes 8 dmg (Stutters claims)
JAT receives 6 Dmg
Breshke receives dmg
Shining receives 6 dmg
Marv receives 12 dmg (?)
(Marv Dies)

D3: Vivax is flipped roleblocker
Sepu faints mysteriously
Shining takes 3 dmg randomly eod

N3: HF disappears from game
Damdred takes 3 dmg
Rsoultin takes at least 10 dmg (?)
Shining takes at least 3 dmg
Lightninstrike takes 1 dmg
Yamato Roleblocked and takes 2 dmg

Actually I take back what I said about stutters st this point I just got my spreadsheet and I think it partially clears him. I corrected it and put in the correct Marv dmg. I want to point something out though.

N1- 5 Mafia Faction don
N2- 4 Mafia Faction done
N3- 2 Mafia Faction accounted for

The pattern is off. We are either missing a mafia KP or we are missing a third party action.

We should lynch Yamato today

Hm so you assume that you roleblocked the factional KP that yamato was carrying... I guess it's plausible. This would mean that there's possibly still 3 scum left...? (3 scum KP overall)

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 11:14 GMT

#5988

True

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 11:28 GMT

#5989

I guess it's a slight point against yamato though.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 14:22 GMT

#5999

Oh now I see the reasoning. Well, let's hope for the best anyway.

yamato tends to roll over and die more likely as scum from my experience so there's that too.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 14:27 GMT

#6000

When I last played with town yamato he at least tried to do stuff when under pressure. As scum he rarely does much of anything IMO.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 20:11 GMT

#6031

I hope it doesn't mean a new win condition or something >.>

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:28 GMT

#6084

Lol yeah the scumteam is pretty #rekt this game.

So who wants to organize the fight?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:29 GMT

#6085

HF maybe since you have the PGO thingy? I doubt scum will kill you tonight.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:30 GMT

#6086

Hm we didn't get The Shining's check? Or was that just at the end of night..

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:30 GMT

#6089

Anyways going to sleep soon, fun times

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:31 GMT

#6090

On May 07 2015 07:30 Chezinu wrote:

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LOL

You know the other mafia is apart of The Gym right?

and?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:32 GMT

#6093

Wait... You mean that the remaining scum are Gym members? Where did you get that info?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:40 GMT

#6100

On May 07 2015 07:33 Chezinu wrote:

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Logistics. Only one mafia gym member has fallen. It would be too town favored if that wasn't the case.

Right.......

Dunno if I really buy that argument. For all we know we could have 2+ more scum or several 3P. That's not really required as far as I can see.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:41 GMT

#6101

On May 07 2015 07:40 indignant wrote:

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Same as always. If you want a fight vote me.

HF seems a bit more likely to survive though :/

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 06 2015 22:46 GMT

#6108

Hm.. Hm...

Well there's time to decide anyways. Now good night

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 07 2015 17:20 GMT

#6264

##Vote indignant

I guess that's fine. Just gotta hope you actually can survive the night :/

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 07 2015 17:28 GMT

#6265

On May 07 2015 23:38 Holyflare wrote:

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On May 06 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay guys I found something interesting about Stutters meta which he busses his teammates as Mafia in 3 of his games as scum and OMGUS scumread a person in 1 game and here the quote of his OMGUS read on Waveofshadow in Basterd Mini Mafia:

On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote:
Any red emphasis is mine

Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum.

I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting).

He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it.

BUT WAIT

On July 01 2013 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol speaking of Rayn grasping at straws, (somebody mentioned that earlier..?) I certainly love his case on me.
For a guy who talks a lot about towny perspectives, he doesn't even remotely consider the fact that me saying I have nothing to say can be from a towny perspective at all, cause, you know, I had nothing to say at the time. The contradiction he comes up with is not a contradiction at all in my eyes, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, right?

I also especially love how hard he pushes me as his main scumread.
I'm still not convinced that he is scum though and I want to look closer when I get the chance at his very recent scumgame as compared to something like CC.

Stutters I was thinking of unvoting you but your recent post gives me pause. You just look so afraid to take a stance on anything. C'est scummy.

Ladies and gents I'm out until later tonight; kid is at the grandparents for the night and you can sure as hell bet I'm not spending free time with the wife at the computer.

He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for.

After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know.

Wat is this waffly shit? So no read on me, he thinks Vivax looks bad but ACTUALLY I don't want to kill him, and the tone of that last sentence makes me laugh. 'Guys we should probably kill JarJar, if that's ok with you........' Maybe that's me reading into it a bit too much but there's a difference between 'We need to kill JJD right now.' and 'We really should kill JarJar......' Its those damn ellipses or something.
Yeah I'd defs lynch Lazer atm.

Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter.

He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn.

Finally his players he wants to look into post:

On July 02 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Players I want to look into/talk to when I get the chance:
Marv - I find personal interaction with him to be the best way I get a read of him; I don't know what his scum game looks like so I'm still kind of wary about him.
Fuba - His townplay was really strong in Roulette and I see bits and pieces of it here but his lack of activity muddled it up somewhat, and it's different than the lack of activity he exhibited in Roulette. In that game he came in strong and performed strong analysis when necessary....here there was much more fluff to his posting that rubs me the wrong way amidst the good posts.
Stutters - Still think he's scum. His performance is a lot better than the half of the game I was there for but there's still stuff like this:

On July 02 2013 03:31 Stutters695 wrote:
I explained why I disagreed with your case. Truth be told I haven't scrutinized his play too much since then but I don't think his "slip" if you want to call it that is indicative of anything, at least not on its own.

I'll read up on WoS/Lazer but is there a particular thing you don't like about my Fuba case?

Never gives the aforementioned reads and his 'case' on Fuba is incredibly weak and only points out the glaringly obvious that many had pointed out earlier. The conclusion makes sense somewhat as I agree that Fuba's regular analysis was lacking here and all the conclusions he reaches amount to 'I'm not sure',' but it's not much of a case and I could see it as a bus.
Then Vivax comes in and critiques the case a little and what happens?

On July 02 2013 03:45 Stutters695 wrote:
I can understand that. Probably a little bias on my part but it just seems so scummy to me. I'll see how he responds and what he comes back with but he's definitely on my short list for d2.

Immediately ready to drop it and push it to the backburner instead of coming back and trying to push it more strongly. This is not a towny who has a strong scumread, this is scum who was hoping he could do some weak analysis and then jump on sheep someone else.

Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful
Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations.
Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again

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Here's why I think this is scummy.

First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me.
Second: Blatant misrepresentation.

I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance.

Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case.

The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum.

but on the other hand after looking through his town games he post less as town than scum and had similar process in his reads to this game too esp his latest game when he tunneled someone so in conclusion: He TOTES TOWN Yamato on the other hand needs to step up and so far failed to deliver his promise.
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These ones, they look super weird, especially as all you're now using is posting activity to decide his alignment. The entire mafia team has been afk so obviously stutters inactivity could be explained by that but you skip right past it and say he's totes town for it instead. It's kind of a superficial read that looks like you wanted to blend into what people thought.

Hm... Maybe. I remember doing a similar thing as scum once where I tried so hard to justify a townread that I just looked at one of his past games and made an (actually incorrect) conclusion from his filter. Nobody bothered to check if what I was saying was correct and it somehow made me look better all the same.