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The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 07:23 GMT
#1504
I think I'll go ahead and push SL's null read to town, too. Eden is still null, but now only because you seem to really want me to town you, which makes me want to be that much more stringent with my read.

Yamato didn't help my scumread on him one bit, still looking forward to Artanis coming back. Think I could actually go yamato over Artanis if he doesn't change his stance on the game.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 07:24 GMT
#1505
Ok now I'm actually gonna go play League XD I'll check back after my match to see if anything else was posted...if not, goodnight.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 18:50 GMT
#1524
Tronak good job on that conclusion. Too bad you have no vote up and even said in your post you wouldn't have looked at me for hours if Snarfs hadn't pushed you. If you're happy lynching me as scum team, why aren't you? Man up. What I see is someone soft pushing for a temperature check in the thread and seeing if my lynch will gain traction.

And you really need reading comprehension. You misrepresent almost everything about me. First of all, you read my filter in 10 mins. Very good deep in depth analysis.

So misrepresentations: I didn't leave my tablet at work. I left my tablet at home. I got called into work on a day off and in a rush to go to work, left it home. No I do not have technology other than my phone at work and I can't sit on a phone, read, filter dive at work.
I've been able to play at work recently cuz I have my tablet with me, duh.

Whatever my D1 was atrocious, do what you will. I bring up my last game because players here seem to have a hardon for meta and I'm noting a lot of similarities again. And if you're scumming my emotional posts, where the fuck are you at on yamatos tantrum last night? Read the thread please.

And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to.

And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 19:00 GMT
#1525
See I like Snarfs. He questions me for not looking for reasons to town yamato(even though that vague "What else" definitely implied you wanted my scumread explained) instead of just trying to bury me. Basically how Tronak just tried to do with those misrepresentations.

Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 19:10 GMT
#1528
Oh and where did I join the Artanis wagon? I'm one of the only ones saying I'm scared to join the wagon because it picked up traction so fast already. I also said the worst thing town can do is decide on a lynch with 48 hours left in the day. I don't even have a vote up yet.

For someone who read my admittedly small filter, you sure missed and misread a lot. Like wtf, worse 10 minutes spent. No reaction to yamato and Kels' idgaf/refusal to play attitudes. Just fluff expecting FFs posts(which we all are) and a weak case on me. Gj.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 19:14 GMT
#1530
Sure, Snarfs.

On February 27 2015 10:24 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 09:54 _Tormented_ wrote:
On February 27 2015 09:50 The Shining wrote:
In other words, if he is your scumread, then by all means push him, but don't let pushing your scumread stop you from hunting other scum.


Like Artanis himself did D1? No, I will continue to push others. Would still like to hear from Node when he gets back. I believe Snarf is town and therefore would like to hear Node's justification for his D1 posts.


Pretty much exactly what I was getting at. Hmph. +1 town point for you.

And ya I had Snarfs as town, too, so I want to see the same.

Speaking of which...you avoided a "mislynch" Snarfs, assuming my read is right. What do you plan to do with this extra day you've been blessed with?


I was suspicious of Tormented D1 and even mentioned he might be on auto pilot sheeping onto the Artanis wagon immediately after Eden. But looking into him, I saw it was not the first time he was scumming Artanis so it was consistent. Add that to the interaction he had with me that led to the quoted post and I started leaning town on him.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 19:25 GMT
#1531
Omw to work. If you want more on my townread or anything else from me, I'll be back soon.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 20:38 GMT
#1534
Tronak, I felt that way last night. It can be frustrating being the only one in the thread at times.

I should clarify that I have had my fair share of weak cases, as well. Weak cases are not alignment indicative. However, the way you seemed to not want to commit to it is what worries me. A townie can have a weak case and gut feeling and still commit to it.

And meh. I am a passionate player. I would be more worried if I was emotionally detached. It is my play style, not sure what to do with that.

And I meant you have no vote up on me. I like that you're sticking with your scumread in Artanis, at least, but I wanted to see his defense before I made a final call on him. I've already said I'm leaning more towards Yamato than Artanis. But your response about Artanis does nothing to disprove my thought that your case on me is a soft push to see if my wagon could gain traction. You don't have to nevessarily vote me right away to get me mislynched if enough people believe your case.

And since when does thinking someone is scummy but wanting to see their defense because too many people jumping in the wagon doesnt feel right and not voting = jumping on the wagon?

And you just told a guy who started late and had to read a ton of pages to catch up(that were pretty spammy, mind you) to not spam. I'll post what I want. I referred to a past game because I'm a newbie and like I said, ppl here have hardons for meta. It was a town game for me. And it isn't really League of Legends spam if it is also the same post that explains why I'm leaving thread and unable to answer questions immediately afterwards.

Last thing. I should have updated my list post that I was asked for, even though I don't like list posts? To change one read on SL to town? Why? It's clearly in my filter that I did so.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 22:09 GMT
#1553
On February 28 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:10 Eden1892 wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote:
You dont think yamatoes mafia my wife?

i missed when this happened

and nah idk man. seemed townie d1? like i said i think there's a good chance i'm wrong about one of kels/yam/prob, so i'll figure that out on d4 or so if i'm around

You're telling me off for not wanting to read but you're not planning to reconsider anything until D4?

ok

no dummy, I'm lynching Artanis and then you first


Does this mean you're already lynching FF regardless of Artie's flip and the info it could give us?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 22:23 GMT
#1557
On February 28 2015 06:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 06:29 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow.

Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good?

What do you think of tronak?

Seems genuinely paranoid, probably town.

OK, I was also suspecting the shining but have since started to waffle on that. What's your opinion on him?

I don't really have much of a read on him. I liked that he didn't like the train going on me so quickly but I don't like the angle he's going at (Yamato over Tormented/Snarfs/Node and now you). I feel pretty secure in Yamato being town.


Yamato's only post since that interaction last night with myself and SL was an Artanis pls. Why is your town read refusing to play now? Help me see what you're seeing because an unwillingness to play or even interact with me just doesn't help at all.

Tormented I've played with before. I was asked to explain my town read on him and I did. I won't push a town read. Snarfs also was town to me and I won't lynch him today but I'd like to see more from him. Today's Snarfs play looks to me just like questioning that can come from either alignment, a null on reading me and a lack of thoughts and presence. Also was supposed to be here when Artanis came back. Not quite yelling scum, just not what I was seeing D1. I already explained my feelings about replacements and FF, too.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 27 2015 22:24 GMT
#1558
Tormented another town point for posting my Q right before I did.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 02:22 GMT
#1571
On February 28 2015 11:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 09:48 KelsierSC wrote:
Nodes slot was mafia

Ff is useless and will continue to be.

Lynch him and move on.

What crawled up your ass this game?


You stole his replacement thunder.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 06:30 GMT
#1582
On February 28 2015 03:09 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can't believe Mafia didn't shoot me, they're going to regret it.

artanis plz


On February 28 2015 14:19 yamato77 wrote:
Artanis plz.


Yamato pls.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 20:52 GMT
#1638
On February 28 2015 05:02 Tronak wrote:
Finally this wakes up again. (is very boring for me to spend most of my day time alone despite being 1 of the 3 europeans in the game)

Ok just 2 things, I must leave for a dinner with friends in some minutes:
1-Answering Shining- Shining my reads may be weak (this is my 1st game ever in case you didnt noticed yet: read the thread ), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote:
Tronak good job on that conclusion. Too bad you have no vote up and even said in your post you wouldn't have looked at me for hours if Snarfs hadn't pushed you. If you're happy lynching me as scum team, why aren't you? Man up. What I see is someone soft pushing for a temperature check in the thread and seeing if my lynch will gain traction.


Artanys been in my suspect list before any you even looked at him, I am voting Artanys, I wont change unless he shows me he is town. (Read the thread )

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 04:10 The Shining wrote:
Oh and where did I join the Artanis wagon?

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote:
Artanis - scummy


(Read your own posts )

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote:
And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to.

And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with.


Gotta admit I missed your read changings, you should have updated your list or dont throw spamm in your game. At any case this was a good point for you and a -1 for me. Will be happy to interchange more words with you tomorrow if needed.

2
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'll be around in like 2.5 hours. Can we have a big party here with everyone then?


I wont be able to be there in 2,5hours ( I wish), neither on 3 or 4, maybe on 5 for a very short time before hitting bed.



So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town.

Has Artanis done this, Tronak?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 22:17 GMT
#1651
OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis.

That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2.

And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 22:34 GMT
#1654
On March 01 2015 07:29 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
The shining can I get a list post out of you by chance? I don't need reasons yet, though I may ask for specific reasons afterward.

If you're unsure, a 'list post' is where you show your reads on everyone in the game. Either by grouping them into categories (town/town lean/null/scum lean/scum) or by listing each player and your read on them individually.


Probulous - town lean
Artanis - scummy
SL - null(I have a post addressing this)
Tronak - null
Yamato - suspicious, leaning scum
Tormented - town lean
Shining - town
Eden - null
Snarfs - town
HTS/Kelsier - had HTS as suspicious, Kels play has me back towards town lean
Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null

What happened to your read on artanis, Shining? You have him as scummy, he does nothing all day, now you think we should give him a chance? Like, from this list he was clearly your biggest scum read.


That was very general, Snarfs. Would you like to read my filter and the multiple posts saying I didn't like how fast his wagon gained traction and wanted to hear his defense before pulling the trigger on him and then ask that question again?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 23:01 GMT
#1664
I didn't realize you had to stick with your initial reads the entire game and not actively analyze and reassess things.

Like the fact that Yamato shows up after his Artanis pls BS and votes him. Looking objectively at his filter, he hasn't given us a damn thing since EoD and its fucking frustrating. But I'm getting out of my tunnel. He really thought Wave was town. I could see his anger and detachment from the game as being real and authentic once I get over my anger over him not being willing to play. It makes sense and his willingness to still come back and vote Artanis after implying he didn't do what he said he would shows at least a slight investment in this game still.

I'm notorious for shit D1 reads. Another of many reasons I hate D1. Right now, I'm inclined to think I'm wrong on both of my reads(Artanis/Yamato) and could be taken for a run by scum, but I don't have any reads to make this anything more than a tinfoil theory.

In other words, I believe Artanis could be scummy but, like Tronak, could understand his flu excuse being a horrible one to get thrown onto his scum meta, as well as it being a genuine excuse. And another 72 hours of Artanis playing like this would only make it easier to decide on. And if I scum him off of D2 activity alone, I go back to Yamato and Kels and you to a lesser extent showing a lack of activity that wasn't there D1.

Eden, the speed of the wagon matters because I maintain that Town deciding lynches early in a Day and not analyzing or thinking things through gives scum a free pass for 48 hours. And wouldn't you know it, the content on D1 and N1 is almost 3x the content of D2. So I have evidence to back that statement up.

Also, when a wagon like that picks up that much traction that fast and no one stops to go, "Hey could this guy actually be town? Why or why not?", in my short experience, it ends up leading to a mislynch.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
February 28 2015 23:17 GMT
#1666
Also, to expand, fast wagons could also mean scum seeing an easy mislynch and having one or two team members quickly jump onto the wagon, so as not to be the hammer and end up under suspicion the way I was at EoD.

Tronak, I actually don't like FF. Sticking by my feeling that lynching Artanis today isn't a good lynch anymore, and looking into FFs filter, I really don't see much town at all.

He asks me for a list post(which he personally did nothing with. Everyone else has questioned it).
He comes in towning Snarfs hard(that was general thread consensus at the time, I believe) but not wanting to give in depth analysis yet. We are now at D2 EoD and I did my best to give him BoD to come back to us with something.
Blatantly refused to read 70 pages to analyze. I'm a newbie on TL and I've read and reread 80 pages before in an attempt to reassess an entire game. That excuse is weak.
Doesn't know when deadline is? Red flag.
A big analysis post on...Tormented leading up to a one-liner vote on Kels(filter full of one liners is why he's voting Kels). Hm.

Actually, work is picking up, I should be back before EoD but just in case.

##Vote: Fecalfeast
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
March 01 2015 00:08 GMT
#1734
Yeah I should've just trusted my initial read. Regardless, hurray for D2 scumflip.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
March 01 2015 00:23 GMT
#1737
On March 01 2015 09:03 yamato77 wrote:
prob/sl/snarfs

pick 2


Snarfs/Prob or more likely Snarfs/FF. FF might have the scum power role, which would explain Artanis not saving himself over FF.
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