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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:01 GMT
#9282
Only if Marv shows any inclination of potentially being town tomorrow.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:17 GMT
#9299
On January 16 2015 11:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Artanis, can you make a list from most town to less town?

SL
Vivax
GB
Damdred
LM
Kelsier
Marv
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:20 GMT
#9302
On January 16 2015 11:09 KelsierSC wrote:
I find it fascinating that

I make a well constructed argument on viv that spans his entire game and points out glaring inconsitencies, looks at vote logic, takes into account the view of the confirmed town. and GB and artanis say "good case" thats it.

Yet viv makes a post saying "you asked artanis a question on p24, start of d1, SLAM DUNK CASE" and people act like I'm confirmed mafia.

I have to be dreaming.

A good case doesn't mean someone is scum. Half the case on Vivax is that LM is scum and Vivax/LM makes sense. I'm not convinced LM is scum yet.

It's also how Vivax' thought process aligned with my own at the end of last night. Plus by sheer effort alone, looking at his scumgames he's highly likely to be town.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:24 GMT
#9307
SL what are you currently thinking?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:29 GMT
#9311
On January 16 2015 11:25 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 11:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 11:09 KelsierSC wrote:
I find it fascinating that

I make a well constructed argument on viv that spans his entire game and points out glaring inconsitencies, looks at vote logic, takes into account the view of the confirmed town. and GB and artanis say "good case" thats it.

Yet viv makes a post saying "you asked artanis a question on p24, start of d1, SLAM DUNK CASE" and people act like I'm confirmed mafia.

I have to be dreaming.

A good case doesn't mean someone is scum. Half the case on Vivax is that LM is scum and Vivax/LM makes sense. I'm not convinced LM is scum yet.

It's also how Vivax' thought process aligned with my own at the end of last night. Plus by sheer effort alone, looking at his scumgames he's highly likely to be town.


one point is that vivax and Lm are together , when he says he will follow you unless you vote on the same guy as marv.
The rest of it stands by itself.

There's also that Lazermonkey doesn't want to lynch him. You also said that this was your main point about him.

Some points are also bullshit, like Vivax not posting for 4 hours, so he had 4 hours to catch up. Surely he could've also just been afk for 4 hours?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:31 GMT
#9315
On January 16 2015 11:29 KelsierSC wrote:
if it is by sheer effort... why the fuck is marv the lynch when he has a 40 page filter rather than LM who has a filter size of 18.


Because the vast majority of those are oneliners and he hasn't really been pushing much. He's just been present but not really present. LM and Marv are different players which require different expectations. I did not expect LM to have the largest filter this game regardless of alignment.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:31 GMT
#9316
On January 16 2015 11:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 11:23 Alakaslam wrote:
Putting out so many fires hijole

Deadline is apologies.


HAHA

I can see Robik and Koshi spitting fire on the obs qt.

Artanis, I have this feeling you will turn out to be mafia and I'll be like

[image loading]

Can you substantiate this because these fleeting suspicions are really annoying.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:36 GMT
#9324
On January 16 2015 11:34 sicklucker wrote:
Theres gotta be a scum between gb and dandred. Im not sold on lm being scum .

So if you think gb is town
And I think Lm is town

doesint that make dandred scum?

If both gb/lm are town it's likely damdred is scum. We already went over why Damdred probably isn't scum though; he's actually been pushing Superbia strongly D2 and he had this emotional outburst today that looked quite genuine.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:43 GMT
#9326
On January 16 2015 11:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 11:22 KelsierSC wrote:
so let me just clarify this

- I ask artanis a question start of d1 to get a read on him
- I ask SL if he is going to reclam cop after SL says "I will reclaim cop tomorrow"
- using vote logic and reasons from my town reads I change my reads on SL
- 2 posts from old games one of which was my first game, and the fact I play using my phone in the evenings.

I'm mafia????

You read my post on vivax and you think he is town? Even though you both said my case is good



Can someone town please speak up and ask wtf is going on here

I read your explanation on your question on me, but I don't buy it. It's possible but it's just weird to imagine.
The pressure on the cop claim feels scummy because you seem to be a rational player and there was no reason to doubt his claim at the time because which scum player would claim cop without any pressure? That you were right does not mean that it was the townie response.
I presume GB has actually read your meta a bit more thoroughly than that. He played that towngame with you so he should have a sense of the bigger picture that game. The phone point is retarded though.

Additionally, another reason you look scummy to me is that most of the other players simply look townier for various reasons.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 02:44 GMT
#9327
And now I really need to go to bed.
[image loading]
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 14:41 GMT
#9412
Can you explain why vivax? I'm listening.

Haven't entirely caught up yet.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 14:47 GMT
#9416
LM how is SL ever scum when his fakeclaim got pressured by 2-3 scum?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 14:48 GMT
#9417
On January 16 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote:
Artanis you just suspected Kelsier yourself when I pointed out how he asks you about ritoky but not about geript.

Why not dig further about Kelsier afterwards? Like, I have this theory floating in my mind that you and Kelsier are actually scum and marv just gave up fighting cause he wants to be a dick and make me look like an idiot when he flips town and you guys win.

Because I had to go to bed and since then haven't had time for digging yet.

Why are you trying to derail an obvscum marv lynch?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 14:50 GMT
#9418
And you said you went through a mafia game of mine and were inclined to agree I can't be scum. You also said Marv is obvscum. What's going on vivax?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:05 GMT
#9420
On January 17 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:53 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question.

The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky?


I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him.


Another thing I noticed while rereading this.

When Kelsier asked Artanis this question, Artanis already made his entrance in the thread and...Surprise surprise surprise, Artanis voted geript.

So it was obvious Kelsier wouldn't ask him on geript but instead about ritoky. And Artanis should have known this when he questioned Kelsier himself.

But they both forgot that they already were voting geript at the time, and so KElsier said to his defense "to get a better read on Artanis" (who already had the same scumread as him) and Artanis faked suspicion on Kelsier even thought he should have known that Kelsier couldn't possibly ask him any other question cause they already shared the same scumread.

Artanis + Kels so far.

[image loading]
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:07 GMT
#9421
Town explanation: Artanis heard from Vivax that Kelsier made a case on Geript at the time yet asked him about Dr.H/Ritoky, finds it odd and questions Kelsier on it. He forgot his vote was on Geript already because it's weeks ago and he doesn't remember every detail.
Scum explanation: Artanis heard from Vivax that Kelsier made a case on Geript at the time yet asked him about Dr.H/Ritoky, finds it odd and questions Kelsier on it. He forgot his vote was on Geript already because it's weeks ago and he doesn't remember every detail.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:17 GMT
#9424
Reading back I see that Kelsier brought up the Geript not voting for Batsnacks as a reason to scumread him. That was pretty bad.

He also pressured Robik in a very needless manner, stating how he expects him to play better yet explicitly not scumreading him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:18 GMT
#9425
Yeah Vivax I'd definitely put this much attention to it if I were scumbuddies with him. That makes a lot of sense.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:19 GMT
#9427
On January 17 2015 00:18 Vivax wrote:
Artanis, give me one reason or more to not lynch Kelsier today instead of marv.

Kelsier is defending himself. Marv has gone afk.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 16 2015 15:21 GMT
#9429
Your entire connection case on me is based on not remembering things that happened over 2 weeks ago in a 472 page game and a question that I'd already answered that he probably made in the spur of the moment to look good. Are you serious?
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