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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:46 GMT
#9219
So since the premise of your case on Vivax being scum is that LM is scum, you should start with proving that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:49 GMT
#9223
On January 16 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 09:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also your theory for Vivax being scum rests heavily upon LM being scum. If LM is town half of it falls apart.


the part where he ensures he doesn't vote on LM, yes that part does fall apart if LM is town. But the rest of the case still stands.
But I am 100% convinced LM is mafia. Viv was but now apparently LM is a ?. So he wants to lynch marv instead. Remember when you talked about the person who "blinks first". viv is blinking here.

Dam is town I have presented good arguments for that. LM is the right lynch here not marv

You're right that my argument does suggest we should vote for LM. However, I'm not entirely certain on him anymore. Marv seems like a safer bet as he doesn't seem very concerned with anything but survival this game. One exception in his favour on this is that he voted for LM over Palmar, but I'd say that at the time it was likelier that LM would get lynched rather than Palmar.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:50 GMT
#9226
On January 16 2015 09:47 Vivax wrote:
Artanis. Marv is alive, he isn't doing jackshit all day, and they shot a fucking Chezinu.

We're not lynching anyone but marv today and do I have to point you to your flowchart?

What did you say about tunnel vision again last night?

I'm highly likely to agree with you, but I'm going to hear him out.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:51 GMT
#9229
On January 16 2015 09:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:45 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:44 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:38 Vivax wrote:
I know you didn't say GB was town, but the point is that you talked to him like he's a townie that should listen to you for reasons.

You asked for support from a scumread., and that's cause you know his alignment to be town and slipped that.


i don't know his alignment i asked him to go make up his mind. Honestly you are just reeking of desperation to throw scum on me when your arguments don't make any sense.

your case
- i asked SL a question d1
- apparently I "couldn't have been convicned by JAT and robik" well the votes and the cases by JAT and Robik did convince me. why am i scum for changing a read on SL ?


hmm yes I really feel the noose closing in


But you kept asking SL if he was the cop after the night ended, so if you were already convinced, what was the point of that?


I have been patient enough I think to explain this point about 3 times already.

SL stated " I will reclaim cop tomorrow" So I asked if he was going to do that.

JAT and the votes convinced me SL was not mafia. I didn't know if he was cop or not.

Again why does this make me mafia?


Give me the name of a recent town game of yours.

You should probably look here. We have it for a reason.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:51 GMT
#9230
On January 16 2015 09:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Vivax, if LM is town, who is mafia?


Will have to go with Artanis, which would hurt my feelings.

Vivax dear, have you ever seen my scumplay?
If you did you would not entertain the idea that I could even be scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:57 GMT
#9234
On January 16 2015 09:55 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 09:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:51 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Vivax, if LM is town, who is mafia?


Will have to go with Artanis, which would hurt my feelings.

Vivax dear, have you ever seen my scumplay?
If you did you would not entertain the idea that I could even be scum.


Just skimmed your boadwalk filter and am iinclined to agree

I'll be complete here in that I did have one good scumgame in I'm a Cop You Idiot, but it was a 7-player IML game so I knew the game would be very short. All other scumgames I've pretty much been under heavy suspicion if not lynched D1/D2.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 00:59 GMT
#9237
On January 16 2015 09:58 Vivax wrote:
Ok. We go into a world where I'm scum for a moment.

So apparently I killed Koshi N1 cause I was his top scumread.
Eden cause fuck knows why. During the night I was wondering if he's scum.
Then I killed JAT cause I pissed him off or something.
VE cause he claimed medic.
Robik cause he claimed cop. I also spent the whole night arguing with him why he isn't for some strange reason when I should already have known he was.
Then I kill...Chezinu?????????? Why didn't I kill Kelsier? I'm obviously not afraid to kill people who could be a threat to me.

The lovely thing with night kills is you can always just say WIFOM.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:00 GMT
#9240
On January 16 2015 10:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Artanis, answer me seriously to this:

Are you sure you're town?

Yes.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:02 GMT
#9246
On January 16 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Artanis, answer me seriously to this:

Are you sure you're town?

Yes.


Like, confirmed?

Yes.
Jesus look at my mafia games if you really need the convincing.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:03 GMT
#9247
On January 16 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Do you think everyone in the obs qt is reading you as town?

Anyone who has been in a game with me as scum, yes.
Is this going anywhere?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:03 GMT
#9248
On January 16 2015 10:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 09:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 09:58 Vivax wrote:
Ok. We go into a world where I'm scum for a moment.

So apparently I killed Koshi N1 cause I was his top scumread.
Eden cause fuck knows why. During the night I was wondering if he's scum.
Then I killed JAT cause I pissed him off or something.
VE cause he claimed medic.
Robik cause he claimed cop. I also spent the whole night arguing with him why he isn't for some strange reason when I should already have known he was.
Then I kill...Chezinu?????????? Why didn't I kill Kelsier? I'm obviously not afraid to kill people who could be a threat to me.

The lovely thing with night kills is you can always just say WIFOM.


True dat. Just wanted to get this out here quickly.

Did you read why I think Kels is scum from his latest actions?

I did, but I need to read it again to comment on it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:10 GMT
#9253
On January 16 2015 10:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Do you think everyone in the obs qt is reading you as town?

Anyone who has been in a game with me as scum, yes.
Is this going anywhere?


Nah, just checking some WIFOMy meta.

I went through your games and I don't really believe there is much difference between your scum and town play.

What I did see was that you have a tedency to say something like "I'm so fucking town" in your town games.

Loved the part where you said in a town game that "I am town because read the thread", like it was obvious

Uh, there's this difference in my scum play that I tend to get lynched D1 or D2 whereas as Town I look clearly town. I also post way less and am less motivated in general as scum. You're pretty bad at meta if you didn't get that out of it.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:11 GMT
#9254
On January 16 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote:
Time to get back to where I last was at my D1 analysis.

I just read it again and though your point on Kelsier could be accurate it's a bit circumstancial. You can easily explain it from a town narrative too: He was simply curious on SL. That'd comply with his pressure on SL in D2.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:18 GMT
#9257
On January 16 2015 10:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 20:53 KelsierSC wrote:
So going to give my case on geript. Firstly

On December 31 2014 14:20 geript wrote:
I really wish Marv, Palmer, Koshi and Artanis were around.


Basically saying, I don't want to participate, I want these people to be here so I can call them town! Note he proceeds to call Koshi town almost immediately when he enters the thread.



Does this read like TMI, Artanis? Or why would he assume he'd call all of them town. Note: Marv is in there so it's kinda odd.

I'm feeling my tin foil hat. What if Kelsier is scum, Marv is town and he's defending him to feel like there's a fight going on?
If that's true Marv will come back in full body armour though. His meek statement that he'll just sheep Kelsier doesn't look like that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:24 GMT
#9259
On January 16 2015 10:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:15 Vivax wrote:
On December 31 2014 20:53 KelsierSC wrote:
So going to give my case on geript. Firstly

On December 31 2014 14:20 geript wrote:
I really wish Marv, Palmer, Koshi and Artanis were around.


Basically saying, I don't want to participate, I want these people to be here so I can call them town! Note he proceeds to call Koshi town almost immediately when he enters the thread.



Does this read like TMI, Artanis? Or why would he assume he'd call all of them town. Note: Marv is in there so it's kinda odd.

I'm feeling my tin foil hat. What if Kelsier is scum, Marv is town and he's defending him to feel like there's a fight going on?
If that's true Marv will come back in full body armour though. His meek statement that he'll just sheep Kelsier doesn't look like that.


This is extreme WIFOM.

You're making me uneasy.

That's why I said it's tin foil hat dummy.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:38 GMT
#9263
Uh, can you tell me how asking questions before commenting on something yourself makes you scum?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:42 GMT
#9266
Hm, that's a fair point. Asking about a read on your supertown when you have a case on someone you believe is scum is pretty out of the blue.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:50 GMT
#9271
On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question.

The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:54 GMT
#9275
On January 16 2015 10:53 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question.

The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky?


I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him.

You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 16 2015 01:58 GMT
#9279
On January 16 2015 10:56 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2015 10:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:53 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question.

The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky?


I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him.

You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument.


I ask you a question to get a read on you. I don't understand why that makes me scummy.

You went from Point A (Townreading Dr.H) to Point B (Scumreading Geript) to Point C (asking me questions to get a read on me). You say you didn't ask me about Geript because you already made your case on him. That's in contradiction with asking me about Dr.H, because you already made your case on him too (but Town rather than scum). In fact, it makes less sense to ask me about Dr.H than Geript because when you're town you want people to think about your scumreads, not your townreads.
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