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On January 14 2015 00:57 Vivax wrote: In the titanic game I linked Palmar was a lot more pushy and aggressive as scum, then again he was cornered from the start thanks to two incompetent teammates, can't remember who. I don't know why I have to laugh at this for 2 minutes straight, probably cause I believe it myself. Went back to the post where I was thinking that and it just makes me more confused cause it reminds me how much I'd love nukes to be in this game. Stuff that just removes players from the game in batches. Anyway I'm obviously not as confident any more, mostly ignoring that possibility for simplicitys sake. I'd much rather hear if you think Kelsier is scum rather than answering why I think he's town, unless you think we're scum together but then just explain why one of us is scum and why he has to die today. I think you're practically confirmed on filter size and effort alone, so no I don't think you're scum. You went through Kelsier's filter already so I was hoping you could tell me memorable things about him because I don't remember anything about him and I was hoping you could spare me having to go through his filter. | ||
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I'll grab them real quick. | ||
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Okay, I'm ready. I also added cinema 3D glasses up front for the double protection. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YiW5pmK.jpg) | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote: Is that a Swedish flag in the background Artanis It's the flag of my province, Gelderland, or Guelders in english. I wasn't aware the Swedish flag had a black stripe at the bottom. | ||
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I'll also check the Kelsier thing. | ||
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Reading through D2 a bit I noticed Kelsier asked me if I'd be around in 3 hours from now and then never got back to that even though he got back. Kinda bothers me. However I also dismissed this at first On January 04 2015 03:32 KelsierSC wrote: Also people are completely glossing over how perfectly the night kills incriminate Viv But he might've been on to something there. Then there was this weird thing where he additionally scumread Geript for not voting on Bats which was pretty bizarre. He did also have a townread on Robik from the start which given Robik's play is questionable. Robik himself said he was more suspicious of people townreading him than scumreading him in the start because he intentionally played poorly. Then again he did try to switch to Superbia, but looking at the votecount it wouldn't have made any difference. I'm not as sure about him as you are from reading the D2 interactions, but I guess the situation will resolve itself. He'll either come back or be removed from the game. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:29 Vivax wrote: Very early D1, from the point on marv scumreads ritoky. Also he doesn't bring that point up again, just asks Damdred slightly later why he doesn't scumread ritoky and doesn't pick up on his reply, and basically after the ritoky read he reappears in a list that was based on PoE according to marv. In my totally unbiased opinion it looks to me like he was aware more than others at the time that the push on DrH looked terrible, he posted it, then started diluting that suspicion by finding other people to jump on so at least he had a reason to not push his scumbuddy D1. I just went back and I share your concerns, though I do remember that Day1 was NYE and the day after so Marv probably wasn't up to his usual standard. He did vote Ritoky from the start and tried a little to get him lynched but it wasn't what we'd expect from Marv. | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote: You look Turkish, Artanis. That's probably the lighting. Is there any reason we shouldn't lynch you today GB? | ||
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On January 14 2015 00:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also, Marv, why did you unvote Palmar? What vindicated him to you to the point that you don't want to lynch him today? | ||
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How does relieving pressure from Palmar help us find scum today? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote: yw. you've not had to deal with a mad vivax and you seem no closer yourself, so how is asking me that question helping you find scum today? see i can do it too. Had the answer been enlightening, it might've provided me with an additional reason to read you as townie. As it stands I don't really see a reason for the unvote other than you both being scum and as such you don't want the lynch to end up on Palmar today. | ||
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Any reason that doesn't require us to have perfect information? | ||
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On January 14 2015 01:56 marvellosity wrote: you've repeatedly banged the (correct) filter size argument for me. If the answer to that question was what you require to additionally read me as town, you're doin the game wrong. The problem here is that a lot of people have a big filter. The game is 388 pages long. Although I consider it a strong reason to make you town, there's a bunch of things that make me doubt. The interactions between you and Palmar feel so unproductive, for example. You two have so much history together that I'd imagine if you were both town you'd have townreads on each other by this point. Similarly, if one of you was scum and the other was town (though I consider this more of a stretch) I'd expect the suspicions to be much more grounded. It feels like you're kind of avoiding reading each other much like a syllogism/sandroba scum couple would. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:04 marvellosity wrote: if I were scum with Palmar I'd know he wouldn't give a good defence, and I wouldn't set him up in a grand fashion to have to do it either. Get a grip. Presuming you'd both be scum you could both expect him to be motivated to set up a great scumgame. Palmar might've believed it himself, then ended up not having as much motivation as he thought he would. The interactions ended up not looking as good as you were hoping for and the plan fell apart. It's really not that hard to imagine. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:06 marvellosity wrote: ok dear. Go and join Vivax in the crazy corner like a good boy. That's okay. I like the company of townies more anyway. | ||
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On January 14 2015 02:08 marvellosity wrote: like there is nothing I can say to reasonably deconstruct a conspiracy theory. that's the nature of a conspiracy theory. Actually, there's plenty you could do. I already figured a counterargument to my point: Why would I (you) expect Palmar to step it up and become more active when he has been thoroughly demotivated throughout the game? You're welcome. | ||
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