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On January 11 2015 12:11 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 12:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 11 2015 11:55 Damdred wrote:On January 11 2015 11:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Damdred: On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced? Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while. I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way. You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop. Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me. pls respond LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted. Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly? BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously). I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that? yea it wasn't in the vote thread it seems his first vote in the vote thread was for geript. His first post indicated a vote on chy but wasn't in the vote thread would have to ask lazer if it was pressure or if he was unaware of the vote thread.
Does it matter? He indicated a desire to lynch Chyz.
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On January 11 2015 12:15 sicklucker wrote:
im obvious j/k with my last post but thats basically how your tunneling on me. You found like 1 thin you think is scummy on a 40 page filyer
You only have 34. Confirmed scum for lying about your filter size.
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GB:
On January 11 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote:
If SL is town then batsnacks wagon was pure town
Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1
Which means Chyz is town Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2015 11:31 DarthPunk wrote:On January 10 2015 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
When I was completely under the radar, I've posted areas that everybody ignored. I've as meddle attention because I've already got few posts.
What is my scum motivation to draw attention to me when I already contributed and still got under the radar? Because not posting anything has an expiry date. You needed to do SOMETHING in order to make yourself at least appear to be somewhat useful, Flying under the radar is not doing nothing at all. Flying under the radar is doing just enough to not be a target whilst not actually being productive. This definition applies to you perfectly, because A.) you were not a target really at all and B.) you were not being productive really at all. Until I called you out you were actually flying under the radar perfectly. The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write. I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so.
I've being scumreading them since the beginning.I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town? The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IjjSSL2.jpg) Somehow GB is scumreading me whilst stating everyone who voted on Batsnacks "if SL is town".
Pls respond
Marv:
On January 11 2015 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2015 09:04 Vivax wrote:
thinking about it, i really dislike how he self-characterised his play as "bad" this game, like he said he was having a bad game. He's not having a bad game, he's having a game where he's not tried to play, the two aren't the same.
On January 11 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Wasn't he who said on D2 something like "Damdred is either scum or he's the cop".
D3 he says if the CCer to ritoky is Damdred we lynch him ---- ignores it On January 11 2015 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
I know what you mean there, it's just bs.
It's very difficult to hard scumread Palmar because essentially if he's mafia he's mafia because he has no impetus to play the game, he's disconnected from what's going on, he pushes me and drops off it later, etc. etc.
the issue is that there's a non-negligible possibility Palmar does that as town too. Why doesn't marv mention that he disliked Palmar for saying he was bad instead of outright not playing properly when trying to give an opinion? What I dislike more about Marv here is that he's essentially saying he doesn't know how to read Palmar when he's been pretty clear to me in the past that a Town Palmar is usually either a 0 or 10 whereas a scumpalmar is a 5-7 in terms of effort.
I want to know why you haven't been willing to call Palmar scum when you've provided clear guidelines in the past for what makes him scum.
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Sick that's a really shitty method because the only way it works is if Slam fucked up and didn't give scum any counterclaims which would be a pretty messed up way to win a game.
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On January 12 2015 00:18 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:GB: On January 11 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 10 2015 03:30 GlowingBear wrote:
If SL is town then batsnacks wagon was pure town
Which means mafia was comfortable with both lynches day1
Which means Chyz is town On January 10 2015 11:36 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2015 11:31 DarthPunk wrote:On January 10 2015 11:28 GlowingBear wrote:
When I was completely under the radar, I've posted areas that everybody ignored. I've as meddle attention because I've already got few posts.
What is my scum motivation to draw attention to me when I already contributed and still got under the radar? Because not posting anything has an expiry date. You needed to do SOMETHING in order to make yourself at least appear to be somewhat useful, Flying under the radar is not doing nothing at all. Flying under the radar is doing just enough to not be a target whilst not actually being productive. This definition applies to you perfectly, because A.) you were not a target really at all and B.) you were not being productive really at all. Until I called you out you were actually flying under the radar perfectly. The read post was earlier and I specifically asked for attention. I could jus the e posted the reads and when confronted, showed them, instead of actually asking for town to care about what I write. I've posted a lot of POV's why I'm town. Palmar read me as town weirdly. So did Ritoky. And so did Artanis at some point. They're keeping me alive if they are mafia, which I believe so.
I've being scumreading them since the beginning.I heavily criticised a post from palmar. Why would I scumread possible townies that are reading me as town? The list goes on, DP. I'm an uninvolved townie, not a lurker scum. On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched.
until deadline. Somehow GB is scumreading me whilst stating everyone who voted on Batsnacks "if SL is town". Pls respond Marv: On January 11 2015 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 11 2015 09:04 Vivax wrote:
thinking about it, i really dislike how he self-characterised his play as "bad" this game, like he said he was having a bad game. He's not having a bad game, he's having a game where he's not tried to play, the two aren't the same.
On January 11 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Wasn't he who said on D2 something like "Damdred is either scum or he's the cop".
D3 he says if the CCer to ritoky is Damdred we lynch him ---- ignores it On January 11 2015 08:52 marvellosity wrote:
I know what you mean there, it's just bs.
It's very difficult to hard scumread Palmar because essentially if he's mafia he's mafia because he has no impetus to play the game, he's disconnected from what's going on, he pushes me and drops off it later, etc. etc.
the issue is that there's a non-negligible possibility Palmar does that as town too. Why doesn't marv mention that he disliked Palmar for saying he was bad instead of outright not playing properly when trying to give an opinion? What I dislike more about Marv here is that he's essentially saying he doesn't know how to read Palmar when he's been pretty clear to me in the past that a Town Palmar is usually either a 0 or 10 whereas a scumpalmar is a 5-7 in terms of effort. I want to know why you haven't been willing to call Palmar scum when you've provided clear guidelines in the past for what makes him scum. I've said after that something like "nevermind, there are a lot of nulls there"
But you said that everyone else was town on there with such conviction. It's hard to ignore, especially when you corrected it an hour later.
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Sick I'm going to ignore that because role flavour should have no role in determining alignments unless it's explicitly related to the game.
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I don't care, it's not relevant to the game and I won't lynch him for that.
I'm happy to lynch him for having too much information on alignments though.
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Geript posted something about suspecting GB of having too much info too, but reading back it was related to himself being town and Vivax being scum. Given I don't think Vivax is scum that actually weakens the point a little.
Then again GB's reasoning for voting Vivax is pretty bad. His main reasoning was because "Koshi was obvious town".
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Damdred that's a shitty reason not to claim right now given you're a potential lynch, but you shouldn't anyway because it's all very silly.
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On January 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote:
How am I a potential list? I think claim games are stupid scrum has fakes this far into game more than likely and I am at work
You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect.
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GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore?
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On January 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote:
How am I a potential list? I think claim games are stupid scrum has fakes this far into game more than likely and I am at work You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect. I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things. You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea.
Point is you're not universally townread and there's a decent amount of universal townreads out there so anyone that isn't on that list is a potential lynch.
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On January 12 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore? What initial question ?
You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring.
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On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.
I think what you said is untrue
Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters.
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On January 12 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore? What initial question ? You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring. I don't remember it anymore lol I'm fed up with this game But you can answer it if you want
I've named plenty of points against you. Point in favour of you being town would be if Palmar is scum since his case on you being town looked forged in a way that I suspect he knew your alignment before he made it. Like he starts out with points that make you scummy, then 180s on that read on a very trivial point and immediately stops reading and makes a conclusion.
+ Show Spoiler [case] +On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town
I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet.
First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai.
Brb Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game. Some scum points for that. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet. On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy. what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non? Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this. just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~ On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it. @Eden Explain. sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know? By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion. The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion? Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie. is the bolded TMI?  He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing. Some more scum points Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.
The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer. I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through. Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk). Slight town points. GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1: Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've read until page eighteen yet, and I don't like:
Eden
Sicklucker
Ritoky
Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible. Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually want to lynch half of the players list Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies. *** Actually I'm just stopping here. I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me. He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town. Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town. Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me
ONE REASON
For why I'm mafia.
ONE REASON. Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it. Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc. Imma not lynch GB.
Like he brings up a lot of points, comes across one thing that he thinks is townie (I want to lynch half the playerlist) then stops there and makes his conclusion. So if Palmar is scum I suspect that you're town. If Palmar is Town and simply being bad, then this reason disappears.
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On January 12 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.
I think what you said is untrue Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters. Not sure about that. SL is scrum read by at least one person. Kel isn't consensus and neither are you atm even viv has second feelings about you at points
I did say everyone that matters.
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On January 12 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Yeah whatever if people would of listened to me super would of died a day sooner.
So who are these people again?
Well, there's only one person that truly matters in this game. I think you know who it is.
Also I lead the Super lynch on D2 initially.
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On January 12 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Doesn't it feel like palmar was skimming through my filter, trying to discover my alignment and that when he reached a conclusion, he stopped filter diving, which looks townie?
Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated?
It felt like he had a forced change of heart based on a trivial post. Presuming he's scum I suspect he tried to scumread you at first but didn't feel like putting in the time and ended up with a townread that was poorly explained.
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On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?
This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.
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On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.
Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that?
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