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On November 28 2014 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
I quite clearly told you smash bros was released today. Gb is also my top suspect from my list post. You're just kind of rehashing what I've already said about him.
"he criticised ppl for wishy washy posts and said it was alignment indicative but he did the same thing as them"
wrong and I've already explained why. Bothers me that you're constantly repeating it as I've already proven the opposite.
"he voted his scum reads top mafia suspect"
a very game-changing vote. Draws a lot of attention. Really easy for mafia to pick on.
"he said he was making discussion happen but just asked about lurkers and did nothing "
if you can't give thoughts on people who has few posts, day1 would never start. I was forcing you to put information on the thread
" he pushed elvis for ruining discussion but said he was changing the thread so that discussion started "
There is a difference in disrupting discussion from criticising the ongoing discussion
You're actually just copying the points i raised
In bold. Come on, HF.
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On November 28 2014 08:50 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 08:44 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 08:42 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 08:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it. Am I scum? Probably not. You're wrong on your read but I find your stream of thought genuine this time. Can you respond to my post?
The big one? I can but... so much effort lol.
I'm gonna dinner and answer it then.
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That's your opinion.
Btw, Superbia, I'm not a vet. Or am I? O.o
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On November 28 2014 09:11 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:07 GlowingBear wrote:
That's your opinion.
Btw, Superbia, I'm not a vet. Or am I? O.o I'm pretty sure you've played this game before. I've seen your name many times.
Since May... Not sure if it make and a vet.
How do you read marv?
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On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much.
Wait, what?? Why?
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On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting.
You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you.
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On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you.
A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you.
When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay).
So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you?
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WoS, deer, give reeds pls
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On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you.
So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong.
Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you:
"You're scum for [insert bad reason]"
"I'm town because [insert null reason]"
I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him?
The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me.
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On November 28 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:First one that pops into my head just as a taste was Geript. Had a strong townread on him from the start of the game which has sort of lessened over time. Essentially this post: And then the townread he gave me for it after. I actually had no fucking clue what he was talking about, and that townread comes directly out of his ass, but at the time I fully believe that he believed it. He does weird shit that he expects me to understand all the time (almost exclusively as town, I believe unless someone can show me otherwise. Catastrophe is a good example). Like it actually took me going back and reading my own post 5-10 times to figure out what he thought was a subtle joke. Now I kinda wish I had done it on purpose 'cause it wasn't bad. Anyway, point being Geript gets all heady with his own towniness and weird reads secretz and whatnot when he's town. The tryhardiness isn't particularly indicative for him, and the fact that he's fallen off a great deal since then should really make that evident to the rest of you who townread him early for his posting. As to why my townread has fallen off a little, it's because Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 02:11 geript wrote:
##unvite
##vote:waveofshadow
You have my sword Marv. That Superbia post just feels bad to me. Just like everyone else he offers no justification, assuming the vote on me can stand on its own simply because I am playing the way I am (and by the way, I would caution people to have a look at who has discussed me and what they have said. Pretty damn easy to get away with lynching someone like me as I have been. This might be less relevant if I decide to actually pick up my play/don't get lynched but we'll see I guess).
Fair enough. But they could be townies trying to pressure you so they can have a good read on a strong player.
Also, WoS, what's your read on me and Superbia?
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On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:22 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
damn son, i have a shedload of posts (many of them pointless i admit) and you don't have a read on me?
D: Leaning town if anything. I haven't really had a reason to care that much. Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening.
Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction.
Asking questions are a way to generate discussion.
Your double standards here bothers me.
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On November 28 2014 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oops double post.
And yes GB that is exactly what they could be doing, and exactly what I believe marv to be doing. I still don't think it makes any sense for him to actually think I'm scum, but I don't think I truly care.
You and Superbia? Haven't read much of that shitstorm. I think I remember siding with Superbia tbh earlier on and thinking your early play was bad. I seem to remember you wowing me a great deal as town in earlier games and you certainly haven't done so here.
Ok. I'm just having a hard time understanding what is so bad on pontng out things I don't like :/
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On November 28 2014 10:10 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:04 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:03 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:49 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:42 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 09:23 GlowingBear wrote:
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Wait, what?? Why? Because he hasn't posted anything that stood out as scummy to me? Stop overacting. You're basically saying that you don't care for discovering people's alignment, only if they vote for you. I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you. A lot had been discussed regarding scum traits, yet you only have a scumread on the only person who is voting you. When I ask you about one of the most active players you say you don't have a read (which is okay) because you don't care!? (which is not okay). So you think HF's case on JAT was good. He has been calling JAT scum. Yet only I stood out for you? I don't think the source of the scum-read matters if the scum-read is good, do you? I can see why you think me not really caring that much might irk you as town, but I've explained my d1 play before. What exactly is the confusion here? I did not feel strongly about JAT's case, but I was interested in the outcome. You were the one that stood out the most to me, I felt like your filter was pretty damn scummy, which is why I made a big case on you. So I'm scum for pointing out the JAT case as bad, yet you didn't feel it was strong. Wanna know the outcome? I can tell you: "You're scum for [insert bad reason]" "I'm town because [insert null reason]" I'm totes scum. Marv also tore those two apart. He was the first one to do that, actually. Why aren't you scumreading him? The way you say that you play day1 means nothing to me. The way I see you playing is most important to me. Yeah I remember Marv doing this, but I felt like it came from a more townie perspective at the time, like he was doing it to get a read on HF. I did not see a townie reason behind you diffusing the push. You later even complained that nothing was really happening. Criticising a read is a way to keep discussion going, but to the right direction. Asking questions are a way to generate discussion. Your double standards here bothers me. The problem is that you instantly give a read on HF based on the push you just tried to diffuse, which is literally null. Like I would understand a town motivation if you would actually give a new direction to town or start asking questions right after (specifically towards HF), but you do nothing.
Saying a read is bad =\= read someone as scum. I don't remember reading HF as scum.
You can see through my activity, though, that I tried to gather information to be more able to read people.
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Well, I'm not impressed: you've played with a bunch of lol players.
If it was dota, on the other hand... You would stick into playing.
WoS, your demotivation is starting to sound forced. You discussing with marv isn't taking us nowhere. Can you ignore him for a moment?
I'd love to hear your thoughts on HF. I kinda don't know how do I read him
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On November 28 2014 10:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, I'm not impressed: you've played with a bunch of lol players.
If it was dota, on the other hand... You would stick into playing.
WoS, your demotivation is starting to sound forced. You discussing with marv isn't taking us nowhere. Can you ignore him for a moment?
I'd love to hear your thoughts on HF. I kinda don't know how do I read him I think the direct opposite of this. Only now do I think it's genuine... interesting
Well marv, if WoS is THAT demotivated, I wonder why Elvis was the first to be replaced. There is a long list of replacements and if WoS is so regretful for signing in, he can just ask to be replaced.
I don't want this, though, because I love WoS.
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Your discussion with WoS was so shit and the motive you take your vote out of him is so bad that I wouldn't be surprised if you're both mafia faking a discussion
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On November 28 2014 10:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh GB I remember thinking you were really good but that spoilered section...jeez.
I didn't ask to be replaced and CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
YES WE CAN (Obama forever)
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Give me ONE reason why that isn't possible.
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On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way
It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense.
Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions.
Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment.
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On November 28 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
so are we mafia faking it? or you just tossing it out there for giggles?
It crossed my mind and I felt like sharing.
I'm starting to believe you could be scum.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the read I have on all this discussion. But, by the way you were discussing, this idea is likely.
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