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On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too.
I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts...
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On November 27 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:38 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too. I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts... ................................. you want me to say whether it's alignment indicative. If I say your post is wishy washy and you tell me "yeh but geript's is too but what do you think that makes him?" then you are implying that wishy washy means an alignment when it doesn't. I've told you I liked what geript has said so quite clearly being wishy washy means nothing in that context.
That's the problem. I've said my post isn't wishy washy because I've brought things like "this guy looks town, I don't like this", period.
I believe being wishy washy is alignment indicative, unless you have specific meta read on someone.
##Vote: geript
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What do you think of WoS?
Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too.
On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha  You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really.
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Bah.
Boring.
##Unvote
##Vote: Superbia
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On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:48 GlowingBear wrote:What do you think of WoS? Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too. On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really. is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet? wave has done nothing
I'm planning on making this thread happen.
Because it's page 23 and it didn't happen until now.
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On November 27 2014 23:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 11:02 Elvis! wrote:There's no way I'm not town here: ![[image loading]](http://eil.com/images/main/Elvis-Presley-Russian-Doll-386907.jpg) Like here. No one really inquired Elvis but he continues to joke like this. Superbia, on the other hand, answered with a joke post an inquire from obi. It's not that he looked like he was intentionally cluttering the thread. isn't that intentionally dodging? which is worse?
Hmm I think it would be if it wasn't for the joke phase.
I don't know, haven't thought of that this way.
I think that, through a mafia perspective, if he really wanted to dodge a dangerous question, he would just ignore it...
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On November 27 2014 23:06 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 22:48 GlowingBear wrote:What do you think of WoS? Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too. On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really. is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet? wave has done nothing I'm planning on making this thread happen. Because it's page 23 and it didn't happen until now. For you to think this then you must think that thread discussion hasn't been happening. So why have you been telling us that Elvis! has been busy destroying discussion all along if you think you're only just "making this thread happen" now???
There was serious discussion going on. Nonetheless, it was a bad one since you can't get someone's alignment from that.
The thread has stopped motion and I tried to gather information.
What's happening with you HF? You're pushing things that are silly to push since the beginning to the game
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On November 27 2014 22:57 Holyflare wrote:
can you explain how you go from most definitely thinking wishy washy posts are alignment indicative and voting geript to somehow now voting for HIS top scum read???
Because reasons.
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On November 28 2014 01:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I hate how people use the lurking thing to justify understanding my underdeveloped scum meta, especially when I was working irl for most of that game.
Which one are you talking about?
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On November 28 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to kill GB but his post on Elvis is spot on so meh.
Hahaha you're so bad at reading me
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On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"?
From the big walls of post you make 
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On November 28 2014 01:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 01:21 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"? From the big walls of post you make Which games?
Aww don't make me search for it...
Fanfic? I think fanfic.
You mostly post big lists
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HAHAHAHA funny things mafia hop on when you act weirdly
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On November 28 2014 02:08 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 01:26 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:21 Superbia wrote:On November 28 2014 01:21 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 01:17 Superbia wrote:On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Superbia is underwhelming, but at least he didn't post images and didn't sound like he was trying to stop traction of any discussion. He is not to be overlooked, nonetheless, because he is also another a big walls poster Elaborate on this GB. Specifically, where did you get the idea that I'm a "big walls poster"? From the big walls of post you make Which games? Aww don't make me search for it... Fanfic? I think fanfic. You mostly post big lists You were an active part of last game's OBS QT, a game in which I was mafia and I survived the entire game. But rather than draw any correlations between my play that game and this game, you come up with a vague meta-read of "Superbia is a big list poster", which you can't even properly pin point to a fucking game, let alone an alignment. The fact that you were OBSing my scum-game from a couple of days ago, try to give a half-assed "read" on me based on "meta", during which you don't even refer to the scum-game I played a couple of days ago, is scummy as fuck. you're overreacting over a simple statement. It doesn't matter if I was part of the obs qt or not. In fact, you were too quiet and one liner in that game. I wasn't following it closely too, I've only skimmed a little.Let's move on to the rest of your game so far: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.
2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment. not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked game i'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked" look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever I think holyflare is wrong. Believing JAT would be here doesn't makes him scum. I understand what HF says but that's too much WIFOM. I find weird the "we are fucked" thing. I can't understand how HF got to this conclusion. Keeping up a bad argument isn't scummy. I can see townie coming from that perspective. I also can see mafia. It means his post is null unless it is connected to some further behaviour.s I hate this post. You basically discredit HF's case but draw zero conclusions from it. What's the point? Why do you feel a need to comment on the case if you have nothing to add and JAT hasn't even posted yet? How does this help town? Protip: it doesn't. So you don't think that pointing out a bad argument that makes no one mafia doesn't help town? The conclusion I've drawn from it is that HFs case on JAT is wrong. I'm trying to put town on the right trackShow nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:45 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote:
Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny. I don't like this post. He makes it sound like snow is mafia for being unfunny, which, obviously, isn't a mafia trait. Snow likes to fuck around, well, that's what he did. If he had little participation, that's also not alignment indicative. Funny thing though is that geript concluded his thoughts saying that snow has a town trait. Which makes geripts post useless. Content less. Yet previously you say: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 12:40 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 08:31 geript wrote:
Had what do you think of Sn0's opening? Like I dislike how awkward and unfunny it is. It feels worse to me because I remember him as a player who likes to fuck around a lot in the beginning. It was just a hit it and quit it thing. I also dislike how uncomfortable it comes off as in his response. Conversely though, he's a little dgaf which can be towny. I like and hate this post at the same time. What did you like about the post before? Because you just said that the post had no content and was useless. Moreover, you manage to make two posts about the same fucking post and manage to draw zero conclusions from it. [b] The conclusion is that that post is bad and we should take a look on geript. And that's what we did. Funny thing that, in the other hand, you rush to draw conclusions from something you don't even have complete information yet ("what is good in this post"). You're trying to point out scummy things in me without even considering the whole scenario. The good thing about this post is that townies often call bad things out to generate discussion. Pointing that it's a bad argument is also part of the town role. Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
GB, what's different about Elvis compared to Superbia? Elvis jokes were off and he mostly cluttered the thread when discussion was getting traction. Disrupting the discussion with spam felt mafiaish Also, in his last game, Elvis mostly posts only big wall of text with paranoid thoughts. He didn't do it here. Again, you reach zero actual conclusions here. Is Elvis mafia for doing this? Do you feel like a newer player would be trying to actively disrupt the game in which there are a lot of veterans as scum? Yes. It's more likely, though, as newbies tend to be ignored in the game and he could pull the newbie card.
Is he mafia? I don't know, still too early, but it means we should take a look at him.Then GB goes for some weak fucking pushes on Elvis, followed by: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:46 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 22:38 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
jat did the same thing about me when he said "i dunno if hf pushing this is scummy or towny starting discussion" but you haven't seemed to bring that up at all. You did the same thing to me too, it's irrelevant whether it's about individual posts or overall posts it's wishy washy and has no conclusions. If you think it's alignment indicative then it's indicative about your alignment too. I've already explained what's different between my post and geripts... ................................. you want me to say whether it's alignment indicative. If I say your post is wishy washy and you tell me "yeh but geript's is too but what do you think that makes him?" then you are implying that wishy washy means an alignment when it doesn't. I've told you I liked what geript has said so quite clearly being wishy washy means nothing in that context. That's the problem. I've said my post isn't wishy washy because I've brought things like "this guy looks town, I don't like this", period. I believe being wishy washy is alignment indicative, unless you have specific meta read on someone. ##Vote: geript And a couple of minutes later: Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Bah.
Boring.
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##Vote: Superbia What the fuck? Why aren't you voting on Elvis, who you should have the bigger scumread on (judging by your posts)? You salty? does it makes me mafia? TL;DR: GB's non-spam posts reach 0 conclusions. GB's meta-read is shit-tier, and it shouldn't be. GB isn't doing anything for town. GB is mafai. ##Unvote##Vote: GlowingBear
Everything is forced in your case. I wonder if you're trying to generate discussion but it doesn't seems the case. It seems you're trying to look town tryhard. "Aggressiveness is a town trait, I'll be aggressive!"
My vote stays on you, now.
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Why not Superbia, HF?
His case on me felt extremely forced
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On November 28 2014 05:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'll stop lurking later tonight.
Maybe.
/lynch
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On November 28 2014 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
well i think i townread rayn now
i also think i townread holyflare and geript
i townread obi
sentinel might be town for terrible reasons
palmar wildcard
already my list is shrinking
Why are you firmly townreading HF?
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Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it.
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On November 28 2014 08:42 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 08:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Do I really have to answer Superbia's big post? Because I'm kinda bored with it. Am I scum?
Probably not. You're wrong on your read but I find your stream of thought genuine this time.
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