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On July 30 2014 19:58 JennyHell wrote:
Goodmorning darlings.
Time to read through the posts since I fell asleep in my chair last night, while reading this forum.
I'll return soon enough with a response to GB's ridiculous idea that I'm defending seeya while he's distancing himself from me.
Nice to see Meatpudding has joined the rest of us now, looking forward to hear more.
Finally! People are waking up!
Please address the questions I asked from you about Banks as soon as you can!
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On July 30 2014 20:02 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:58 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:45 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:40 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote:On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why? Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautioustea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
Have you caught up with everything right now? I'm about 2/3 the way through. Explains why you're reading me scum, I guess. Could you explain why you're reading Banks as town. On 666 or Seeyalater I don't know what your read is, mafia or town? Also is your read on GB a joke? What do you think of my town reads Jen and Banks? Banks is doing what townies do. Posting reads and pushing for scum. I'm up to the part where GB makes a case. Banks is posting reads, yes, but I don't think he has pushed scum too well, I posted about this recently. Not much to think of you townreading Jenny, everyone kind of is so there's not too much information there (especially since you don't substantiate much). Its still kind of early. Are you part of 'everyone' who town reads Jen?
Leaning town, yeah, not as strongly as everyone else, I think. She's just someone I'm not really paying too much attention to day 1, I'd rather focus on lynches.
GB's case was okay, I just don't agree with the premise/conclusion that both are mafia. There have been some scummy interactions, as GB pointed out, that probably deserve some attention.
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This thread is so quiet, hope you guys get more active. 
I'm off to play some Magic, bb in maybe 5-6 hours.
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On July 31 2014 00:59 Seeyalater wrote:
I guess its time to vote for now then, in case something goes wrong.
##VoVote Teemursu.
Hope I did that right!
Not a 100% set read in case something else comes up, but I'll admit that will be pretty hard.
You vote on me without explaining why you think I'm mafia, without addressing any of the 90% of the content I came up with earlier?
How do you suppose I'm able to read you as nothing but scum?
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Also the activity level of this game seems to be like waaaay lower than the other newbie game I played in..
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GB, I've wrote a lot about Poof. If you don't know, he's also called Banks. Right now I'm leaning scum on him and want to push him more to get some kind of a response from him.
All of the cases on me have been mostly about inactivity, at least I haven't seen any other ones. If Seeyalater votes on me as OMGUSing me, without him addressing any of the content I've put out or the stuff I answered his accusations with, it doesn't really help me figure his alignment out...
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Seeyalater, you said you'd re evaluate everyone, but I don't see you've reevaluated me at all, when I'm the person you should probably be reevaluating the most. I'm obviously town and not going to get lynched today, if not for the longetlst filter alone, so you eed to do some effective scumhunting and place your vote somewhere where it's not useless. 
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On July 31 2014 04:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Morning shitbags!
What have I missed?
About 90% of my content in this game. Get to work you lazy ass!
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Battery almost running out, so I'll probably post only once I get backto the computorz.
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On July 31 2014 04:16 JennyHell wrote:
Teemu, you speak a lot about not being able to read people if they don't give information and you ask a lot of question, but honestly I'm having a super hard time reading you.
Just because you need to read others doesn't negate the fact that these others need to be able to read you.
You keep mentioning having the longest filter but, is that really that important if half of it is fluff and jokes?
Something you did that I didn't really care for was talk about some Vivax thingie, which stopped me in my tracks and made me stare clueless, so thanks for that.
Another thing you did that I didn't really appreciate, even though it was probably meant as a joke due to you being bored about the thread going slowly, was mentioning Poofter's QT and calling him a wolf in a jokey way.
Maybe I'm just too stuck up to see the fun in that.
Do you actually feel he is scum, and if so what lead you to believe so?
I've asked questions, but I've also followed up with content.
If people have a problem reading me, they should probably be more active and have discussions with me.
If you honestly think half of my filter is jokes and troll, you probably haven't read the thread.
Idk really what to say about the Vivax and Banks thing...? Like I've already said that Banks has pretty weak calls for scum and pushed on him on his reasoning for those, and I feel like he is pretty scummy for it, knowing how good of a player he can be (like holy shit Banks, when you lead town as town, it's so fudging Godly). So yeah, I do think he is scummy and I have addressed him.in my reads.
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On July 31 2014 04:35 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:28 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 04:16 JennyHell wrote:
Teemu, you speak a lot about not being able to read people if they don't give information and you ask a lot of question, but honestly I'm having a super hard time reading you.
Just because you need to read others doesn't negate the fact that these others need to be able to read you.
You keep mentioning having the longest filter but, is that really that important if half of it is fluff and jokes?
Something you did that I didn't really care for was talk about some Vivax thingie, which stopped me in my tracks and made me stare clueless, so thanks for that.
Another thing you did that I didn't really appreciate, even though it was probably meant as a joke due to you being bored about the thread going slowly, was mentioning Poofter's QT and calling him a wolf in a jokey way.
Maybe I'm just too stuck up to see the fun in that.
Do you actually feel he is scum, and if so what lead you to believe so? I've asked questions, but I've also followed up with content. If people have a problem reading me, they should probably be more active and have discussions with me. If you honestly think half of my filter is jokes and troll, you probably haven't read the thread. Idk really what to say about the Vivax and Banks thing...? Like I've already said that Banks has pretty weak calls for scum and pushed on him on his reasoning for those, and I feel like he is pretty scummy for it, knowing how good of a player he can be (like holy shit Banks, when you lead town as town, it's so fudging Godly). So yeah, I do think he is scummy and I have addressed him.in my reads. Maybe we're just speaking 2 completely different languages here, but to me, you just seem extremely unwilling to state how you feel about things and instead just point to your filter list. Work with me here instead of being difficult!
Thing is, it's kind of annoying to either a) repeat what you've already said or b) do the work of the other person and find your reads to show them. It's especially annoying when you basically talk alone for three hours and then almost no one addresses any of the content you've put out.
To make things clearer, here's a liszt post:
GlowingBear - He might be wrong on a lot of his logic (especially making day 1 associative reads on unflipped players), but I've played two games with him before, and he always as town looks like he's pretty genuine with the cases he puts out, even though they might be a little silly.
Teemursu - Confirmed town.
DCLXVI - Null/leaning scum. He voted on me for being inactive and not following up with questions. Now that I've been active and followed up with some of the questions, I don't see why he still has a vote on me. I also feel like he was kind of scummy trying to kind of preemptively justify his vote here:
On July 30 2014 11:54 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:48 Seeyalater wrote:On July 30 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Roman Numeral Guy I would officially no longer bang. Care to elaborate? Oh man I know I just went off on Teemursu on this if you don't follow up on this or post your opinions too I will not be happy.
meatpudding - leaning scum. Has done close to nothing in the game. Asked some questions and disappeared without following them up with anything.
JennyHell - One of the more active d1 posters, seems genuine about her reads that she gives out quite a bit.
lilwade - null. His reaction tests on Banks were townish, and at least he followed them up by saying Banks was the towniest thus far, but he hasn't really done much at all besides that.
Tehpoofter - I feel like his scum reads are kind of weak and I feel like he might be mafia trying to push misslynches on easy targets. That is, if people like Lilwade and Seeyalater are actually town. If the game is really so easy that the people who don't post much and are being pushed the most are scum, it's all great, but until I see Banks provide some better reasoning for mafia reads or see a scum get lynched by him, I can't really trust him too much.
Lord Tolkien - on the fence with. I like that he called out people reading GB town for trying to stop the trolliness and he has had two decent posts, but I have one problem with him:
On July 30 2014 13:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 09:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also, if you've checked out my previous TL mafia game filters, you'll know how threadbare that analysis post was <_<;
I usually have much more to say but eh, this game is KIND OF slow.
Form moar bandwagons and accuse ppl...ppl. Why don't you do it yourself? I read you as town for your reads liszt post but this kind of attitude is scum-like
I generally just want to see him be more active and post more. He could probably be a decent asset to town if he did.
Seeyalater I've talked about him so much that I'm just too tired to repeat things, lol.
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On July 31 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
I'm currently trying to go through it all again, seeing if there are groups formed somewhere. It's extremely difficult but I have some groups already in my head, I'll bring them up in another post.
To answer GB. My current 2 top scum is lilwade and DC, They were both active from the start but have fallen off. My guess, new players to mafia doesn't want to draw too much attention to themselves so they're trying to coast along without disagreeing too much with other people, which is what lilwade was doing with almost apologizing for his reads and I don't want use the word sheeping but agreeing with others reads without bringing much to the table himself. DC's reads have been fuller and more to point, "better"? if you will, than lilwade's, but I dislike his sudden lack of activity and hope he will chime in soon.
If I were to give a third it'd be meatpudding, for barely being here at all and the time he was here he didn't give much.
Save yourself the trouble and don't make any connections between people today.
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On July 31 2014 00:57 Seeyalater wrote:I've said this many times before, I don't think marriage means much, and I'd totally get married for money! No but yeah, I seemed to have mixed up what the protocol for what bang, ,marry, kill is. Just went in order from bang(top town) to kill(top scum). I like that meatpudding is back and giving some reads, however I sincerely hope he posts more today, we need a lot more info from him and others, like lilwade, anc clockwork orange(666). My reply to this teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=19#361If you go through his filter, a lot of his posts are 2-3 sentences max, so there isn't too much depth to them. Only maybe one or 2 after the game started are longer than that. It was good that you mean me go through his filter though, so I can reevaluate him. While his interaction with Poofter was weird, I am getting a townier read on him then earlier, so I'd be ok with leaving him alive for today. It also made me read you even more scummy than before. You bring up the fact that his filter is about as long as mine, which post count wise it may be true, but a lot, and by a lot I mean A LOT, of my posts are much more substantiated than his 2-3 sentence posts. It just seems like once again, you are trying to subvertly throw scum at me. Otherwise why bring up the number of posts, but leave out how packed said posts are. And the smiley is like the cherry on top. Like my great sensei Imaqtpie once said, never trust someone who posts a smiley face where it should not belong.
All I really want to say is that I don't judge posts by length.
Quality over quantity. Short, real time interactions can be way more valuable than huge walls of posts. It's easier for mafia to coast a long and then make a huge post of reads that some people can't even be bothered to read.
I just thought it was weird that you said his points were good, but not having any depth/substance behind them made me think what you thought was good about them..? You didn't really address that, kind of just said that you read him as more towny after going through his filter again. Like, if the interaction was weird, why are you getting a townier read on him??
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On July 31 2014 05:08 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
I'm currently trying to go through it all again, seeing if there are groups formed somewhere. It's extremely difficult but I have some groups already in my head, I'll bring them up in another post.
To answer GB. My current 2 top scum is lilwade and DC, They were both active from the start but have fallen off. My guess, new players to mafia doesn't want to draw too much attention to themselves so they're trying to coast along without disagreeing too much with other people, which is what lilwade was doing with almost apologizing for his reads and I don't want use the word sheeping but agreeing with others reads without bringing much to the table himself. DC's reads have been fuller and more to point, "better"? if you will, than lilwade's, but I dislike his sudden lack of activity and hope he will chime in soon.
If I were to give a third it'd be meatpudding, for barely being here at all and the time he was here he didn't give much. My lack of activity is because you mainly are asleep when I am awake and vice versa. I just woke up about 25 minutes ago, still getting my beloved coffee in.
Morning!
Once you catch up, I would love to hear your updated read on Poofter and anything I've said today.
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On July 31 2014 05:12 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:00 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
I'm currently trying to go through it all again, seeing if there are groups formed somewhere. It's extremely difficult but I have some groups already in my head, I'll bring them up in another post.
To answer GB. My current 2 top scum is lilwade and DC, They were both active from the start but have fallen off. My guess, new players to mafia doesn't want to draw too much attention to themselves so they're trying to coast along without disagreeing too much with other people, which is what lilwade was doing with almost apologizing for his reads and I don't want use the word sheeping but agreeing with others reads without bringing much to the table himself. DC's reads have been fuller and more to point, "better"? if you will, than lilwade's, but I dislike his sudden lack of activity and hope he will chime in soon.
If I were to give a third it'd be meatpudding, for barely being here at all and the time he was here he didn't give much. Save yourself the trouble and don't make any connections between people today. Ok, I'll take you up on this. I will not make any connections I've found public, for d1, and then compare it to d2 if I live to see it.
First see how people flip after they get lynched/NK'd, and then make connections. Associative reads are really bad to make if you don't know someone's alignment for sure.
Also, a person with a long filter is always a bad lynch for day 1.
Both of these points above I've sheeped from players way more experienced in forum mafia than I am.
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Like posting reads is fine, and if you have something that you think is valuable, you should still share. I'm just saying it's generally a bad idea to focus your thought on it d1.
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On July 31 2014 05:18 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:11 Teemursu wrote:On July 31 2014 05:08 lilwade wrote:On July 31 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
I'm currently trying to go through it all again, seeing if there are groups formed somewhere. It's extremely difficult but I have some groups already in my head, I'll bring them up in another post.
To answer GB. My current 2 top scum is lilwade and DC, They were both active from the start but have fallen off. My guess, new players to mafia doesn't want to draw too much attention to themselves so they're trying to coast along without disagreeing too much with other people, which is what lilwade was doing with almost apologizing for his reads and I don't want use the word sheeping but agreeing with others reads without bringing much to the table himself. DC's reads have been fuller and more to point, "better"? if you will, than lilwade's, but I dislike his sudden lack of activity and hope he will chime in soon.
If I were to give a third it'd be meatpudding, for barely being here at all and the time he was here he didn't give much. My lack of activity is because you mainly are asleep when I am awake and vice versa. I just woke up about 25 minutes ago, still getting my beloved coffee in. Morning! Once you catch up, I would love to hear your updated read on Poofter and anything I've said today. Seeing as he has not said much since I went to bed about the same, Despite my prior knowledge of any of his game play the guy is undoubtedly townie. Teemu I felt like you were overdoing it last night by yourself. it was something like 11 posts in a row. Just a bit much lol. But yes, you did ask some questions that needed to be asked and I think we are still waiting on a couple of those to be answered.
I agree it was a lot, but I'm just kind of frustrated that I feel like people are just ignoring all of it, lol.
Do you have reads on other people? I still don't fully know what your stance on the game is.
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On July 31 2014 05:20 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh, and by the way, Teemu, this sounds like your town play so I'm also putting you in my town circle, although I'll have to filter dive you if I live past night1
You should definitely do your usual "imply someone is a blue during n1 and remember it's a bad idea" again. :D (hopefully not on me, though).
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May or may not have fallen asleep while readin tthe thread.
back to bed zz
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